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congratulations YouTube you did it

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you wore me down and you sucked me back

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in I have too many subscribers here just

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the planets puppet-masters almost sure

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you have a plan which clearly maybe

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something there beyond the realm of man

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until we've thoroughly tested every last

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close just did you find the more you

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think you know much you really do

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where will we be

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see we know the lying to us just don't

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know what to green where would we be

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without this

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drinking a little drink smoking a little

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smoke and dusting off that old opener to

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kick off a new chapter in the THC

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journey on the four-year anniversary of

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my personal chain breaking and yoke

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offloading I hope you're all making

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similar progress because the oily

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appendages of the nefarious view and

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their slow roll of total control are

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wasting no time and the constant

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bombardment on your mind body and soul

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and their technocratic electrostatic is

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aimed at making us more erratic but dr.

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Seuss style rhymes aside I am serious

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when I say that we sit in a place where

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the human condition has been

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fundamentally changed because we spend

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an increasing number of hours each day

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merging further with what is actually a

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highly tuned surveillance and data

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collection network with a not so

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altruistic goal of ratcheting up

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everything you don't really want your

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life monitoring your movements under the

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watchful eye of Google controlling your

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brain chemistry and happiness levels

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with little red notifications learning

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to make marketing and advertising more

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effective than it already is controlling

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the information you see and shoehorning

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system and pulling us further away from

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the natural world and the best medicine

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we have for this encroaching digital

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death machine and if that wasn't enough

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it's all pulsing radiation into our

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bodies like a silent jackhammer subtly

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sending us to our early graves and in

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this context it's no wonder we can't

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think straight but put on your mental

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jockstrap sweat bands and ankle weights

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because we're gonna work it all out

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today with the reigning champion of THC

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appearances my friend and yours the

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great Gordon magic makin Wight making

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his most magical night appearance on THC

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and we're going to try to talk through

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some frustrations properly orient

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ourselves amongst the chaos profile the

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important ways the world is changing and

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offer up some ways to armor ourselves

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from the big bombardment halfway through

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the first year of cultivating his farm

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at the edge of the world one of my

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favorite esoteric explorers to wash up

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on our earthly reef a useful teacher in

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the era of free-range totalitarianism

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the Tasmanian devil himself Gordon my

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good man welcome back as a

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thank you very much happy birthday mr.

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president ha ha ha

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thank you thank you I'm really glad you

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could be here man because I think this

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conversation is gonna be really

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refreshing for me I've gotten a bit

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exhausted with the world lately

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everything feels quite heavy I've

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watched some friends go down some bad

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roads I've dealt with some internet

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creeps and what kinda sort of felt like

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a coordinated effort to get under my

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skin so I've really just bowed out a

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social media engagement across the board

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maybe I should thank them for that right

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but mainly small things and you know how

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they can stack up and then the news is

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still nothing but Russia gate for over a

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year and with the latest trends in

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conspiracy I just feel more unaligned

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perhaps than I usually should so on

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multiple levels I could use a reset and

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a show with you does tend to make me

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feel a bit better not that this is a

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Greg Caro a therapy session but I guess

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I'm here for a new prescription

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regardless doc yeah I definitely

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resonate with what you're saying there I

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mean there's an element of cooking a

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frog right now yes and I think a lot of

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it's been a step change that's happened

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it's it's in fact in particular when it

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comes to the US it's sort of the

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inevitability of a 40-year neoliberal

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experiment and so I resonate with people

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out there who are like this is quite

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toxic mmm a lot of stuff doesn't seem

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all that good and it's in a weird way

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looking at how why this might be a

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glass-half-full situation is there is

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now no other option but to really sit

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with what it is you're going to do and

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how it is you're going to think with and

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be in the world because yeah discourse

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has been better mm-hmm

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it has and you said something one of

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your recent podcasts that I liked about

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how it seemed like we get addicted to

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the worry but don't do anything and then

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act surprised when the things we've

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hit me pretty hard I think there's a lot

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truths that maybe it's why I'm having a

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harder time having fun with a show like

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this because it is all getting pretty

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real it is and that's the bit that

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surprises you particularly when you're

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talking about a conspiracy audience as

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these things in the last couple of years

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is there's been a sort of fundamental

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management change about how the global

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order is going to work for the next ten

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or so years so a lot of stuff that we've

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been historically talking about and

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looking into is sort of appearing from

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behind the curtain in various different

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forms space forces and whatever you want

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not only is conspiracy as a discourse

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not great right now but so weird about

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that is that everything in the world is

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conspiracy you'd mention the Russia Gate

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stuff which the media appears to be way

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more interested in then and this is a

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positive rate than the US public so the

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more recent poll that I saw or the more

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recent survey indicated that less than

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1% of the US public considers Russian

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interference to be the most pressing

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issue facing the country but if you look

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at what's going on and Rachel Maddow

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Show for instance you would think it's

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the complete opposite so we're in this

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world where and this one is a zero

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evidence conspiracies you're aware like

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but it's the reigning discourse this

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should be our time and it's not and so

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it does make you think what were the

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psychological benefits what is the

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payoff to use it dr. Phil right what was

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a payoff for people being involved in

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Para political research and and

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interesting the kind of topics you cover

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in the show I think there is a

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difference between what I thought it was

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and I was trying to work out how the

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world works so it didn't crush me in

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many respects this is legitimate I think

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for many people it's kind of like a

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Rubik's Cube hobby and it's fine except

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here we are there are some fundamental

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changes going on in the world and you

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may want to look at whether you can use

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that Rubik's Cube for something else

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a man and I had a similar motivation in

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mine of course it was I just want to get

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out of this shitty job this job in this

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false white-picket-fence

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dream that was sold to me that isn't

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going to work out and I want to get

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out of it before I get too deep in it

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and I'm also interested in all this

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other stuff so yeah it really was

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let's work out how the world works so it

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doesn't crush us I think that's a great

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expression of that motivation yeah well

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I came to it because the world did crush

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me so I had all these money saved when

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we first moved to London and we moved to

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London

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two weeks before Lehman Brothers

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collapsed so all that money went because

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I couldn't find jobs for months and

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months and I'm watching the news and

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reading the news and I'm like I actually

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have no idea what they're talking about

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and it destroyed the world and took all

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my money and I like money so I did not

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know what a subprime mortgage was I

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didn't know how bond markets worked I

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didn't know any of this stuff and that

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was my bad because maybe if I had known

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it I wouldn't have been living on one

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pound ham sandwiches sitting or whatever

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and that was my arrival into para

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political research which is the world is

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not as advertised as we all know

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listened to the show but also as a

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result of that there are risks that you

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may not see and I certainly didn't that

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will sink your ship if you aren't paying

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attention so it's just kind of

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surprising that all of this stuff is

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happening and as we mentioned before you

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hit the record button people in so the

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macro world's talking about Russia gate

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and the conspiracy world's talking about

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flat earth what's going on Greg right

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man exactly that list was Flat Earth

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Australia is not real nuclear weapons

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are a hoax dinosaurs are a hoax and

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Trump is the god emperor reigning in

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pedophilia networks that have only

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existed because Hillary Clinton ran the

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show like it is kind of crazy and as

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someone who really wanted to elevate

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conspiratorial thinking when I started

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the show I now feel like all the biggest

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ideas have gotten away from me and they

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are big ideas I can run my numbers up

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against the Flat Earth our podcast and

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see that they're doing quite well and

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it's just weird to me because I don't

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understand why when I've kind of worn

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this badge my whole life it now doesn't

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seem to mean what I thought it meant

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well I

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and what you mean and let's look at what

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the mostly unfair claims that it

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commonly leveled it sort of

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conspiracists and the main one let's go

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back to humbler nicer times like the 90s

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ironically I don't know so what tends to

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be leveled at conspiracists is that you

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can't handle the complexity of the world

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and so you need to invent a story to

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explain it now I have always found that

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a bit rich because in fact that is what

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the normies do they can't handle the

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complexity of the world so I'll just

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watch Rachel Maddow and only in America

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is geography breaking news where she's

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pointing out the fact that North Korea

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has a border with Russia and you can sit

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there and go oh I know exactly what's

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going on because this intelligence

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operative has mentioned that North Korea

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as a border with Russia and so it's

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always been this kind of bizarre

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hypocrisy to me that people for me and

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probably you an interesting pair of

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politics and conspiracy is not just it

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doesn't just emerge out of a generalized

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suspicion of authority which has been

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baked into both of us since we were kids

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it's also I'm looking for the complexity

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in the new ones I'm not looking for the

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simplicity

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it turns out if we look at how dire some

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of the more popular memes in conspiracy

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are that they may have in fact been

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something to that accusation that the

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world is now too intense and too complex

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so let's get the dumbest down version

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vision of the world and hide in it and

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the trump god-emperor one is a very good

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example and this sort of feeds into the

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queuing thing as well it's like okay I'm

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just gonna reduce the complexity to 0

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with this invented story and sit there

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and wait for the world to get better and

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I have this unbelievably unused view and

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I think that's a psychological reaction

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because I think if you step out of it

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you realize well there is a lot of

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complexity happening economically

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geopolitically and i am either too

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scared or too intimidated to put on my

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big-boy trousers and do what i had to do

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in 2008 which is like oh i don't know

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what's going on and it's a big deal so I

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should probably do that and I think

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that's what's happening I think the fact

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that there are Britain that much kind of

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change has sort of impacted many

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amygdalas around the world and so you

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have that fear reaction and an inability

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to think clearly and that's where we are

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happy birthday oh man well it's also

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like for most of our lifetime if we're

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in our 30s it wasn't really that hard to

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see the direction that the globalists

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were going whether it was left or right

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bush or Clinton or Obama like we could

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see the consistency in that trajectory

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but there is a difference in trajectory

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now you've talked about the big Empire

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pivot I mean that does kind of make it a

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little bit harder to parse out what's

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going on and I guess you know of course

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I want to hear what you think is

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actually going on but at least I guess

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to go easy on people there is a change

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Oh

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massive change and worse than that a lot

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of sacred cows blood of conspiracy

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sacred cows turned out to not be correct

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like one of the things I mean I know

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you're a crypto nerd and whatever but

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there is a giant gold-bug presence in

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the conspiracy world and there's also

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this very 70s idea that the US needs to

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protect the petrodollar and that the

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dollar is about to collapse now the

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pivot predates Trump it predates away a

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couple of years you started to see that

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with the sort of 20% rise in the US

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dollar beginning about 2014 but also

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around the world you had the German

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Chancellor I'm sure will not translate

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the economics ministers show by saying

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the debt growth model is over the debt

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growth model is the Empire right so you

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actually see the realization that the

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way that the world has run on this kind

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of Bretton Woods scheme is no longer in

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particular America's benefit so we're

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now pivoting off a way of running the

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world that has worked for 40 or 50 years

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and people are and whatever you can like

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gold or all that kind of stuff but

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please be aware that a lot of people are

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emotionally attached to petrodollar

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analysis dollar collapse goldberg and

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it's wearing an opposite the US has been

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trying to get off the patrick and gold

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is irrelevant and the dollar is going to

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strengthen the way I saw the world

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economically work is not what's

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happening ago Australia doesn't exist

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that's an easier place to live well in

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terms of the u.s. getting off the petro

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dollar are trying to what are the

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indications that that's the case the

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petro dollar was a post-war soul that

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allowed American energy security for

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growth but also a kind of long arm way

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of managing remnants of imperial

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colonies in the Middle East it's a

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component in a way of the Bretton Woods

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system so after the war what happens was

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America has basically all the money

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Europe's and ruins no one else has

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anything America is this enormous

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economy that they're about to pivot back

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from being a war machine into a consumer

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economy so seventy percent of world GDP

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was in the US after the war and the

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major problem it was publicly facing

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that was the Soviet Union so here's the

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deal

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countries around the world get free

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access to the American consumer for

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acquiescing to American geopolitical

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goals which is principally to fight

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against communism and that was the deal

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so everyone got to sell stuff to the

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American consumer and

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grow their economies as a result and

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they just kind of had to sit on their

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hands while America's sort of Imperial

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adventurism wrecked half the planet that

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model is very expensive and over because

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one communism is done but to the side

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effect of this is with the American Navy

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in particular but it's military

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essentially funds the security of global

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training so that's what Bretton Woods is

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America keeps the world safe and you get

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to put your stuff on a ship from China

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or Brazil and take it to the US and sell

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it to Americans now at any other time in

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history except this is the British

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Imperial model so this is how Britain

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managed to have a laissez faire global

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economic growth but still remain

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dominant until the end of the empire was

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the British Navy the Royal Navy kept the

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sea lanes safe so here's a situation

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where the Americans American taxpayers

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are paying for Navy that protects

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economies that are now competing with

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and catching up to the US principally

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China of course in your will and

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American companies are assuring their

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jobs there do you think this model

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this is no longer something that suits

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America's medium-term interests and so

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what we have is a pivot around that but

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the petrodollar was the kind of way you

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could run the geopolitics of the world

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to keep the US dollar dominant of a gold

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standard in particular one of the things

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that we're seeing now as the u.s. is and

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certainly by the end of the year the

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world's largest energy producer and

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exporter so it beats the Saudis they

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don't need to force the rest of the

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world to buy Middle East and oil in US

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dollars because they're selling the

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energy so either it's the same cost for

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them because you know you guys are

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actually making it or you have to use

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the dollar because the US is exporting

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it so this kind of way of managing

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middle-east and geopolitics is a petro

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dollar hasn't really been something that

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has been useful especially as it tends

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to bring the dollar up hasn't really

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been useful for a while so you have all

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these sacred cows that power politically

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interested folk have relied on for

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analysis of the world for a very long

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time

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that is clearly being rearranged from a

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monolithic Imperial model which is again

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a British Imperial model to some sort of

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balance of power approach of running the

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world so rather than invading and

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putting military bases everywhere which

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is really expensive and no longer

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providing the return on investment given

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that communism has been defeated you now

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in a situation doing all right well

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we're the biggest economy in the world

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I am repricing access to it and I'm

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going to kind of use Special Forces and

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the rest of it to keep people running

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countries the way I want them but we're

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not going to invade and in fact when we

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have the money and we have the energy

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and we have the biggest economy we will

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tell you where you are in the order of

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usefulness to America and that is a much

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cheaper way of running an empire and

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we're kind of moving into that

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geopolitical direction you see that with

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Trump's treatment of NATO you see that

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with various world quite good and

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believable threats around things like

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trade wars in each case what you're

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seeing there is a renegotiation

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of the Bretton Woods arrangement on a

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country-by-country basis because

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it's over it's just a cost for America

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now and this is why maybe certain

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elements are rallying around just this

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roast fest of Trump and the

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administration because it's getting more

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expensive for them that access is

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getting more expensive yeah so let's say

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you are a joint chief and your job is

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actually national security now if you

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look at where the centrist neoliberal

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imperial project was going to go

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including a lead up to a war with the

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world or any other sort of credible

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nuclear power as a way of running Oratia

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that's the empire model very expensive

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makes the fulfillment layer extremely

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rich so that sort of Clinton Network

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layer which isn't I'm not being partisan

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about that she took money the Clinton

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Foundation took money from anyone yeah

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but if you look at what happened say

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after you use Hillary's State Department

546
00:22:01,509 --> 00:21:59,539
to install Nazis in Ukraine and Crimea

547
00:22:03,489 --> 00:22:01,519
gets siphoned off but you also get like

548
00:22:04,869 --> 00:22:03,499
Biden's kid then running the energy

549
00:22:07,299 --> 00:22:04,879
company that's in there so you have this

550
00:22:10,570 --> 00:22:07,309
fulfill a lot of people got really

551
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:10,580
really really rich on this central

552
00:22:13,299 --> 00:22:11,690
banking warfare model that's what

553
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:13,309
Katherine Fritz would call it which is

554
00:22:18,039 --> 00:22:16,129
you collapse a country and you move

555
00:22:21,129 --> 00:22:18,049
American companies in that have access

556
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:21,139
to essentially free money from a raising

557
00:22:25,509 --> 00:22:22,970
of debt perspective you collapse the

558
00:22:27,489 --> 00:22:25,519
country and you basically harvested by

559
00:22:29,919 --> 00:22:27,499
using money that you create so a lot of

560
00:22:32,649 --> 00:22:29,929
people got rich doing this and this is a

561
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:32,659
sort of if you picture at pyramid like

562
00:22:36,940 --> 00:22:34,730
the pyramid this is what I call the

563
00:22:39,310 --> 00:22:36,950
fulfillment layer of empire so it's that

564
00:22:42,369 --> 00:22:39,320
sort of Bilderberg layer of people who

565
00:22:44,169 --> 00:22:42,379
do the heavy lifting and they got very

566
00:22:47,950 --> 00:22:44,179
rich doing it and it probably didn't get

567
00:22:51,070 --> 00:22:47,960
the memo from the national security

568
00:22:54,669 --> 00:22:51,080
senior management layer which is this

569
00:22:58,479 --> 00:22:54,679
model is making America poorer and less

570
00:23:01,330 --> 00:22:58,489
safe and my job is national security

571
00:23:02,289 --> 00:23:01,340
so we defeated comunit like you have to

572
00:23:04,869 --> 00:23:02,299
think about it from that point of view

573
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:04,879
because I can't see how Trump would have

574
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:07,039
won at anything as Russians Trump would

575
00:23:09,919 --> 00:23:08,450
not have won without military

576
00:23:13,549 --> 00:23:09,929
intelligence support right

577
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:13,559
and so that's kind of where you follow

578
00:23:19,340 --> 00:23:16,730
the thread along to who is in fact

579
00:23:21,619 --> 00:23:19,350
making this decision and why and from a

580
00:23:23,060 --> 00:23:21,629
national security perspective because I

581
00:23:26,029 --> 00:23:23,070
know most of relations here American the

582
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:26,039
thing is it not pro Trump or any net

583
00:23:28,820 --> 00:23:27,360
self in the least but the thing is

584
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:28,830
they're actually correct the Empire was

585
00:23:31,220 --> 00:23:30,690
too expensive it makes the world less

586
00:23:36,980 --> 00:23:31,230
safe

587
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:36,990
America poor so it needs to shift

588
00:23:40,580 --> 00:23:38,730
because you were running on a model that

589
00:23:42,409 --> 00:23:40,590
was designed to defeat communism and you

590
00:23:43,009 --> 00:23:42,419
ran on it for like 20 years longer than

591
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:43,019
you needed to

592
00:23:47,779 --> 00:23:45,450
so now we're at that shift if I don't

593
00:23:51,230 --> 00:23:47,789
know why then the urgency was there to

594
00:23:53,539 --> 00:23:51,240
get that done in 2016 no idea probably

595
00:23:55,700 --> 00:23:53,549
has something to do with space given

596
00:23:57,470 --> 00:23:55,710
what subsequently happened including and

597
00:24:00,529 --> 00:23:57,480
I'll just describe that two things in

598
00:24:01,970 --> 00:24:00,539
particular it looked like and we've

599
00:24:03,499 --> 00:24:01,980
spoken about this I think last time when

600
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:03,509
it comes to to the Stars Academy it

601
00:24:10,220 --> 00:24:07,679
looked like there was the appearance of

602
00:24:12,529 --> 00:24:10,230
all that kind of privatized underground

603
00:24:15,470 --> 00:24:12,539
based stuff the electrogravitics and all

604
00:24:18,409 --> 00:24:15,480
the toys we're going to sort of onboard

605
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:18,419
into the global economy under a presumed

606
00:24:23,239 --> 00:24:21,210
Clinton regime where it can come through

607
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:23,249
private means particularly the likes of

608
00:24:27,139 --> 00:24:24,720
Elon Musk and so on and if you look at

609
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:27,149
what to the stars Academy's role I think

610
00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:31,200
was it was to be air cover and narrative

611
00:24:35,690 --> 00:24:34,289
for this onboarding of the really cool

612
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:35,700
stuff that we used to talk about in

613
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:37,200
conspiracy land about yeah

614
00:24:40,279 --> 00:24:38,730
electrogravitics and directed-energy

615
00:24:42,999 --> 00:24:40,289
weapons and all that those things which

616
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:43,009
still exist even if Australia doesn't

617
00:24:48,350 --> 00:24:44,970
but if you look at what subsequently

618
00:24:49,789 --> 00:24:48,360
happened Elon Musk is now who was gonna

619
00:24:50,810 --> 00:24:49,799
be one of the principal vectors quite

620
00:24:52,580 --> 00:24:50,820
clearly I mean he was talking about

621
00:24:56,330 --> 00:24:52,590
hyper loops and all that kind of crazy

622
00:24:57,859 --> 00:24:56,340
Cold War tech he's gone insane might be

623
00:24:59,629 --> 00:24:57,869
mind control I don't know where the

624
00:25:01,730 --> 00:24:59,639
point is the Mandate of Heaven has been

625
00:25:04,129 --> 00:25:01,740
pulled from him and then if you look at

626
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:04,139
those nomic comments Trump made about

627
00:25:10,820 --> 00:25:08,330
space force I would not be surprised if

628
00:25:13,159 --> 00:25:10,830
that was in fact describing a force

629
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:13,169
majeure which is to say because there's

630
00:25:16,430 --> 00:25:14,730
already a lot of stuff up there most of

631
00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:16,440
which are in private hands as we know

632
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:19,049
because of the various Freedom of

633
00:25:22,220 --> 00:25:20,730
Information Act responses which allowed

634
00:25:22,980 --> 00:25:22,230
for the privatization of things like

635
00:25:25,799 --> 00:25:22,990
everything else

636
00:25:27,660 --> 00:25:25,809
taxpayers pay for into corporate hands

637
00:25:31,020 --> 00:25:27,670
into military industrial hands away from

638
00:25:32,490 --> 00:25:31,030
FOIA reach and a force majeure is

639
00:25:34,830 --> 00:25:32,500
essentially because he's the thing if

640
00:25:37,740 --> 00:25:34,840
you are military intelligence and let's

641
00:25:41,070 --> 00:25:37,750
say Raytheon or Intel or whatever has

642
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:41,080
some toys that are in private hands you

643
00:25:44,130 --> 00:25:42,850
can take them because what are they

644
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:44,140
going to do take you to court they're

645
00:25:49,230 --> 00:25:46,720
not supposed to exist and I just wonder

646
00:25:51,150 --> 00:25:49,240
if when Trump was talking about space

647
00:25:52,650 --> 00:25:51,160
force that sounds at military

648
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:52,660
intelligence Force Majeure to me which

649
00:25:57,299 --> 00:25:54,610
as I will in fact we are asserting

650
00:25:59,400 --> 00:25:57,309
military control over stuff that had

651
00:26:01,890 --> 00:25:59,410
been privatized and was going to make a

652
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:01,900
fulfillment layer very very wealthy

653
00:26:09,380 --> 00:26:06,450
that's my guess as to one of the

654
00:26:12,150 --> 00:26:09,390
priorities of whoever the people behind

655
00:26:15,270 --> 00:26:12,160
putting a game show host in as president

656
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:15,280
I think he actually believes and this is

657
00:26:19,380 --> 00:26:17,679
just excellent casting I think he

658
00:26:22,110 --> 00:26:19,390
actually genuinely believes the cover

659
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:22,120
story so I actually think he thinks a

660
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:24,610
trade war is good and I think they found

661
00:26:29,810 --> 00:26:28,000
someone who genuinely believes the cover

662
00:26:32,700 --> 00:26:29,820
stories they're going to use to

663
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:32,710
reorganize the economy and again that

664
00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:34,330
has military intelligence fingers all

665
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:36,370
over it because that's really well

666
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:36,970
chosen

667
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:40,210
yeah useful men that is a great

668
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:41,650
breakdown and I really have been

669
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:43,120
following these threads in your

670
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:45,760
newsletter which to me every time I'm

671
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:48,490
like okay there's what I should be

672
00:26:53,340 --> 00:26:50,650
looking for because it's really hard to

673
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:53,350
parse out without someone who's digging

674
00:26:57,299 --> 00:26:55,450
like from the alternative perspective

675
00:26:59,340 --> 00:26:57,309
like you are because as we said most of

676
00:27:02,490 --> 00:26:59,350
the conspiracy world is distracted with

677
00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:02,500
these almost non issues when there's a

678
00:27:05,850 --> 00:27:04,000
lot of [\h__\h] going on and then the

679
00:27:07,919 --> 00:27:05,860
mainstream is only concerned with five

680
00:27:09,810 --> 00:27:07,929
people one of them is a porn star

681
00:27:12,540 --> 00:27:09,820
when there's billions of people and a

682
00:27:14,460 --> 00:27:12,550
lot of other stuff to look at so I just

683
00:27:17,070 --> 00:27:14,470
think that's a really good breakdown and

684
00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:17,080
the American consumers definitely got to

685
00:27:20,730 --> 00:27:18,910
be a bargaining chip we're well-trained

686
00:27:22,919 --> 00:27:20,740
we eat up the marketing we have more

687
00:27:25,470 --> 00:27:22,929
purchasing power than most populations

688
00:27:28,290 --> 00:27:25,480
yeah there's value in that in us as

689
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:28,300
basically the American empires product

690
00:27:33,810 --> 00:27:31,450
there is an if you look at so the trade

691
00:27:36,030 --> 00:27:33,820
wall which Trump thinks and I think he

692
00:27:36,780 --> 00:27:36,040
believes this I think he believes if you

693
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:36,790
correct

694
00:27:42,500 --> 00:27:39,520
the trade deficit with China it is

695
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:42,510
better for the American economy now

696
00:27:48,540 --> 00:27:46,000
that's actually not what the tariffs and

697
00:27:52,110 --> 00:27:48,550
all the rest of it are for especially is

698
00:27:54,660 --> 00:27:52,120
if you if you in fact look at the stuff

699
00:27:56,940 --> 00:27:54,670
that is coming into the u.s. I mean most

700
00:27:58,260 --> 00:27:56,950
people think it's and this is true like

701
00:27:59,880 --> 00:27:58,270
the garbage and you get the little toy

702
00:28:01,740 --> 00:27:59,890
in your cereal that says Made in China

703
00:28:03,330 --> 00:28:01,750
in the bottom of it and they think China

704
00:28:05,550 --> 00:28:03,340
is actually just making actual garbage

705
00:28:08,010 --> 00:28:05,560
and tipping it into the US as a matter

706
00:28:10,590 --> 00:28:08,020
of fact a lot of the stuff that comes

707
00:28:12,930 --> 00:28:10,600
back from China is coming back because

708
00:28:15,180 --> 00:28:12,940
US companies about source manufacturing

709
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:15,190
steps into China where it's cheaper so

710
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:18,010
this idea of putting tariffs on US

711
00:28:24,690 --> 00:28:20,290
companies trying to bring stuff Ian

712
00:28:26,460 --> 00:28:24,700
right that's job but because there's

713
00:28:29,460 --> 00:28:26,470
tariffs exist those manufacturing steps

714
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:29,470
will have to unboard so the other thing

715
00:28:32,490 --> 00:28:30,850
the stuff that comes right from China

716
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:32,500
rather isn't garbage if you look at the

717
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:34,450
things that the u.s. actually imports

718
00:28:39,210 --> 00:28:37,090
it's miles and miles of giant cement

719
00:28:41,790 --> 00:28:39,220
tubing and all the stuff that goes into

720
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:41,800
building infrastructure for energy and

721
00:28:44,730 --> 00:28:43,210
the rest of it so you look at the trade

722
00:28:47,310 --> 00:28:44,740
deficit but you don't you realize that

723
00:28:51,420 --> 00:28:47,320
what's happening is US companies are

724
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:51,430
buying cheap stuff that they need to

725
00:28:57,090 --> 00:28:55,210
grow GDP now I think he honestly thinks

726
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:57,100
that the US should be in a trade surplus

727
00:29:02,730 --> 00:28:59,200
with China which is madness but

728
00:29:06,270 --> 00:29:02,740
nevertheless the impact of this is to

729
00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:06,280
reorganize and reshape the US economy to

730
00:29:10,110 --> 00:29:07,510
essentially be the only game in town

731
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:10,120
that's the real reason behind tax reform

732
00:29:13,650 --> 00:29:11,650
and the next two that are coming and

733
00:29:16,190 --> 00:29:13,660
this is how you'll know it's true as

734
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:16,200
eventually probably after the midterms

735
00:29:22,110 --> 00:29:19,690
so next year the tax reform phase two I

736
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:22,120
suspect will include dramatic changes to

737
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:24,130
inheritance tax and the other one you

738
00:29:27,180 --> 00:29:25,450
might have seen floating around at the

739
00:29:29,550 --> 00:29:27,190
moment I think I saw it in the intercept

740
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:29,560
which is trumps going to give a hundred

741
00:29:35,550 --> 00:29:31,840
billion tax break to the very wealthy

742
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:35,560
which he is that is the change to

743
00:29:40,290 --> 00:29:38,080
capital gains rules on investment in US

744
00:29:42,090 --> 00:29:40,300
shares that sounds boring but this is

745
00:29:46,350 --> 00:29:42,100
kind of why I think people have sort of

746
00:29:48,390 --> 00:29:46,360
retreated into Flat Earth NASA shell

747
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:48,400
Goldberg the staff because you actually

748
00:29:51,729 --> 00:29:49,610
have to learn what

749
00:29:53,169 --> 00:29:51,739
interest in capital gains and so on are

750
00:29:56,009 --> 00:29:53,179
to understand what's happening but at

751
00:29:59,109 --> 00:29:56,019
the moment if you if in 1980 you put

752
00:30:01,690 --> 00:29:59,119
$100,000 into the S&P when you try to

753
00:30:04,570 --> 00:30:01,700
sell it now you do it in real estate

754
00:30:06,879 --> 00:30:04,580
hundred in 1980 and you go to sell your

755
00:30:09,580 --> 00:30:06,889
house now you sell it for five fifty and

756
00:30:10,869 --> 00:30:09,590
you will pay capital gains on it but

757
00:30:13,419 --> 00:30:10,879
you're loading pay capital gains on the

758
00:30:16,060 --> 00:30:13,429
bit that is outside of inflation so

759
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:16,070
you'll pay capital gains on the actual

760
00:30:20,499 --> 00:30:17,600
capital gains now if you put the money

761
00:30:22,539 --> 00:30:20,509
in shares one you'd make more money to

762
00:30:24,580 --> 00:30:22,549
be about one nine hundred to one point 1

763
00:30:28,060 --> 00:30:24,590
million if you put that hundred grand in

764
00:30:29,979 --> 00:30:28,070
the S&P rather than a house in 1980 but

765
00:30:32,769 --> 00:30:29,989
let's say it's a million you pay capital

766
00:30:34,330 --> 00:30:32,779
gains on the full nine hundred so what

767
00:30:35,889 --> 00:30:34,340
that does it's one of those perverse

768
00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:35,899
incentives that governments have

769
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:38,720
historically used to get boomers to vote

770
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:40,970
for them is that they made domestic

771
00:30:46,239 --> 00:30:43,970
property extremely appealing and also

772
00:30:48,940 --> 00:30:46,249
for internationals like China buying at

773
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:48,950
US inventory as well so yes a lot of

774
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:50,570
rich people are about to get a whole lot

775
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:52,159
more money because if they get that

776
00:30:58,840 --> 00:30:54,559
change through you'll have to strip out

777
00:31:00,369 --> 00:30:58,850
inflation between 1980 and 2018 and then

778
00:31:01,869 --> 00:31:00,379
work out what your actual capital gains

779
00:31:04,239 --> 00:31:01,879
are and then only pay the tax on that

780
00:31:05,759 --> 00:31:04,249
but look at what signal that sends to

781
00:31:09,639 --> 00:31:05,769
the rest of the money in the world

782
00:31:12,340 --> 00:31:09,649
inheritance tax gone and we will

783
00:31:15,129 --> 00:31:12,350
quote-unquote fairly only tax you on

784
00:31:18,399 --> 00:31:15,139
actual capital gains you should buy US

785
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:18,409
companies so you see what he's doing

786
00:31:23,289 --> 00:31:20,570
not what he's doing but what the plan is

787
00:31:26,019 --> 00:31:23,299
is a complete reorganization of a kind

788
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:26,029
of hyper growth of an American economy

789
00:31:32,859 --> 00:31:29,450
and that's where the subtext of the

790
00:31:35,259 --> 00:31:32,869
various trade wars and smacking yuka up

791
00:31:36,820 --> 00:31:35,269
and down he's about if you're watching

792
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:36,830
this you think he's a lunatic or an

793
00:31:41,970 --> 00:31:39,289
idiot he may well be but let me assure

794
00:31:45,549 --> 00:31:41,980
you if you actually look at the money

795
00:31:47,859 --> 00:31:45,559
someone has a plan right yeah that's

796
00:31:50,049 --> 00:31:47,869
great I totally agree with the premise

797
00:31:53,379 --> 00:31:50,059
that someone has a plan and that this is

798
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:53,389
not the term Kuh was used in the

799
00:31:57,399 --> 00:31:55,039
beginning and I don't think Kuh is

800
00:31:59,529 --> 00:31:57,409
accurate because it's just a wiping out

801
00:32:01,119 --> 00:31:59,539
of as you say the fulfillment layer but

802
00:32:02,990 --> 00:32:01,129
the higher levels of the power pyramid

803
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:03,000
are the ones with the stray

804
00:32:06,190 --> 00:32:04,559
and they're just kind of moving the

805
00:32:08,930 --> 00:32:06,200
marionettes in a different direction

806
00:32:10,730 --> 00:32:08,940
it's sort of a coup like you guys have

807
00:32:12,289 --> 00:32:10,740
had several though if you consider the

808
00:32:14,750 --> 00:32:12,299
bush-gore election if you consider the

809
00:32:16,279 --> 00:32:14,760
assassination of JFK like you guys are

810
00:32:19,130 --> 00:32:16,289
Rubin on and Republic when it comes to

811
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:19,140
having coos so people who say that are

812
00:32:24,409 --> 00:32:22,530
kind of a bit correct but usually that

813
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:24,419
comes out of the Trump is a God Emperor

814
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:26,730
here to save the world which is wrong

815
00:32:31,370 --> 00:32:29,850
that is another correct statement but in

816
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:31,380
a way it is kind of a coup because it

817
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:33,919
was unexpected from the entire

818
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:37,530
bureaucratic infrastructure of the we

819
00:32:40,450 --> 00:32:38,850
might as well call the New World Order

820
00:32:44,090 --> 00:32:40,460
but that kind of anglo-american

821
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:44,100
technocratic EU management plan the sort

822
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:48,240
of g7 was not expecting Trump so it is

823
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:50,130
in that sense a coup but it's a coup as

824
00:32:53,330 --> 00:32:51,809
you rightly point out of people at a

825
00:32:54,620 --> 00:32:53,340
fulfilment layer so I just don't think

826
00:32:55,730 --> 00:32:54,630
they got the memo because I don't think

827
00:32:57,799 --> 00:32:55,740
they would have been happy with the

828
00:33:00,770 --> 00:32:57,809
change because they've got very rich

829
00:33:04,370 --> 00:33:00,780
with this central banking warfare Empire

830
00:33:07,730 --> 00:33:04,380
right right I just really appreciate

831
00:33:09,620 --> 00:33:07,740
that whole outlook and to kind of zoom

832
00:33:11,450 --> 00:33:09,630
out on things a little bit I wanted to

833
00:33:13,580 --> 00:33:11,460
read a quote from your blog that I think

834
00:33:15,860 --> 00:33:13,590
fits in well here and also refreshes the

835
00:33:18,169 --> 00:33:15,870
memory of our last show but you say I

836
00:33:20,330 --> 00:33:18,179
just keep coming back to Charles for its

837
00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:20,340
model of dominance under the dominant

838
00:33:24,860 --> 00:33:22,710
model the rules of reality really do

839
00:33:27,470 --> 00:33:24,870
change based on what is included and

840
00:33:29,299 --> 00:33:27,480
excluded as quote real there's a lot to

841
00:33:31,070 --> 00:33:29,309
be said for thinking with that notion

842
00:33:33,620 --> 00:33:31,080
when it comes to how you formulate

843
00:33:36,350 --> 00:33:33,630
change making in both your own life and

844
00:33:38,390 --> 00:33:36,360
the wider world as in all things too

845
00:33:41,090 --> 00:33:38,400
often generals are fighting the last war

846
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:41,100
and whatever is going on whatever has

847
00:33:45,409 --> 00:33:42,960
probably always been going on is

848
00:33:47,779 --> 00:33:45,419
spiritual warfare in one sense or

849
00:33:49,070 --> 00:33:47,789
another and I really like that so two

850
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:49,080
things there we talked about the

851
00:33:53,950 --> 00:33:51,330
dominant model last time but maybe you

852
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:53,960
could expand on its usefulness in

853
00:33:58,669 --> 00:33:56,640
keeping that model in mind and also of

854
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:58,679
keeping that higher game in mind as

855
00:34:01,950 --> 00:34:00,720
opposed to what the generals might be

856
00:34:06,180 --> 00:34:01,960
doing

857
00:34:08,669 --> 00:34:06,190
yes so here's the real challenge I think

858
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:08,679
with because like you

859
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:10,720
I've not pro-trump all the stuff that

860
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:12,879
the anti-trump people say is true he is

861
00:34:17,870 --> 00:34:15,129
racist to his sexist he's an awful

862
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:17,880
person he's just awful

863
00:34:22,690 --> 00:34:19,970
nevertheless

864
00:34:25,329 --> 00:34:22,700
40% of this military intelligence plan

865
00:34:27,460 --> 00:34:25,339
is good as far as I can see because Adi

866
00:34:28,809 --> 00:34:27,470
risks nuclear war with Russia and I mean

867
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:28,819
you guys a majority American so you

868
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:29,810
might be hearing is going well actually

869
00:34:34,750 --> 00:34:32,690
it is probably good that the global

870
00:34:35,980 --> 00:34:34,760
order is being reorganized as an

871
00:34:38,109 --> 00:34:35,990
American the global or is being

872
00:34:39,869 --> 00:34:38,119
reorganized to prioritize America for

873
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:39,879
once because America is essentially

874
00:34:45,970 --> 00:34:43,040
harvested to fund the growth of the

875
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:45,980
Empire like all your money left to go

876
00:34:50,050 --> 00:34:48,050
and get yield elsewhere and now that

877
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:50,060
that game is up that money's coming back

878
00:34:56,169 --> 00:34:53,119
so some of what's happening is good now

879
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:56,179
a lot of it isn't a lot of it really

880
00:34:58,960 --> 00:34:57,650
isn't because they're kind of at that

881
00:35:00,730 --> 00:34:58,970
point in the timeline we're at our

882
00:35:04,510 --> 00:35:00,740
fourth turning and there really is a

883
00:35:07,150 --> 00:35:04,520
tremendous amount of you know toxicity

884
00:35:08,980 --> 00:35:07,160
and outright public racism and all this

885
00:35:11,130 --> 00:35:08,990
like a lot of those concerns are also

886
00:35:14,410 --> 00:35:11,140
true so you look at it and think

887
00:35:15,849 --> 00:35:14,420
generals fighting the last war well what

888
00:35:17,980 --> 00:35:15,859
do we do about that because this stuff

889
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:17,990
is disgusting it's gonna get worse

890
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:19,760
- he's gonna bring out the racist sexist

891
00:35:24,130 --> 00:35:22,130
dog whistle in the lead-up to the

892
00:35:27,099 --> 00:35:24,140
midterms but I don't know if you saw the

893
00:35:29,260 --> 00:35:27,109
other week that video of him doing both

894
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:29,270
being both racist and sexist about

895
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:32,000
Elizabeth Warren and in also talking

896
00:35:35,859 --> 00:35:33,650
essentially about how rich she is which

897
00:35:38,140 --> 00:35:35,869
is you know get a million dollars if you

898
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:38,150
go and get tested for First Nations

899
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:41,650
heritage and it's this just

900
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:43,970
magnificently vile

901
00:35:48,910 --> 00:35:46,880
combination of racism and sexism and

902
00:35:51,609 --> 00:35:48,920
throwing money around and he's so good

903
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:51,619
at it so this stuff is there in the

904
00:35:56,530 --> 00:35:54,650
discourse and it's disgusting so what do

905
00:35:57,940 --> 00:35:56,540
you do about it and this is the generals

906
00:36:01,450 --> 00:35:57,950
fighting the last war thing you look at

907
00:36:03,849 --> 00:36:01,460
and go there is activating so being an

908
00:36:06,490 --> 00:36:03,859
activist used to be marching and

909
00:36:08,859 --> 00:36:06,500
whatever and arguably that had some

910
00:36:11,890 --> 00:36:08,869
effects during something like Vietnam or

911
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:11,900
Korea but it doesn't no no they get

912
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:12,650
doesn't work

913
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:14,480
it actually makes everything worse so

914
00:36:17,980 --> 00:36:15,920
here's the strategy of it like you can

915
00:36:18,700 --> 00:36:17,990
be so angry about this and no I need to

916
00:36:21,609 --> 00:36:18,710
get on the March

917
00:36:23,170 --> 00:36:21,619
the March just further reinforces the

918
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:23,180
people that respond to the dog whistle

919
00:36:27,339 --> 00:36:25,520
that they're correct and as a result it

920
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:27,349
further reinforces the people who might

921
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:28,960
think they're left but they're actually

922
00:36:34,020 --> 00:36:30,970
neoliberal apologists

923
00:36:36,510 --> 00:36:34,030
for Empire they think oh well this is

924
00:36:38,130 --> 00:36:36,520
getting worse and it is getting worse so

925
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:38,140
this entire strategy needs to be

926
00:36:40,890 --> 00:36:39,760
reconsidered this is the generals

927
00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:40,900
fighting the last war do you think well

928
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:42,310
I'm not happy and rightly so

929
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:44,170
about the state of discourse in the

930
00:36:48,540 --> 00:36:45,970
world but in particular the US where

931
00:36:50,910 --> 00:36:48,550
there really is a lot of gross racist

932
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:50,920
and whatever stuff happening the

933
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:52,450
marchers used to work now they don't so

934
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:54,250
what do we do if they make them worse

935
00:36:59,010 --> 00:36:56,410
we need another strategy and that's kind

936
00:37:00,600 --> 00:36:59,020
of where the dominant of wider

937
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:00,610
inclusions comes in which is well we're

938
00:37:03,810 --> 00:37:01,810
in this new world we're in a fourth

939
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:03,820
turning and there are things we actually

940
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:06,730
know there are things we know from 140

941
00:37:10,770 --> 00:37:08,320
years of SCI research there are things

942
00:37:11,220 --> 00:37:10,780
people who have taken their spiritual

943
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:11,230
journey

944
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:14,800
seriously know which is the spiritual is

945
00:37:20,070 --> 00:37:17,650
real and so as a result these wars are

946
00:37:24,090 --> 00:37:20,080
always cosmic but they are differently

947
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:24,100
cosmic when we know that your intentions

948
00:37:28,140 --> 00:37:26,770
can fundamentally alter reality and I

949
00:37:30,060 --> 00:37:28,150
don't just mean magic I just mean

950
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:30,070
general intentionality although

951
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:33,250
obviously any magic and so you think

952
00:37:38,730 --> 00:37:36,000
well then how does this work if the

953
00:37:40,860 --> 00:37:38,740
collectivist let's get a big enough

954
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:40,870
group of people and march on Washington

955
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:45,280
strategy will fail but a decentralized

956
00:37:50,130 --> 00:37:47,010
well let's all become little Rivendell

957
00:37:52,860 --> 00:37:50,140
so let's see how can I make my sphere of

958
00:37:56,130 --> 00:37:52,870
influence better how can I make it less

959
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:56,140
toxic the things that I can do how can i

960
00:38:00,690 --> 00:37:58,240
elevate them and then you have this kind

961
00:38:02,850 --> 00:38:00,700
of mycelial connection of a

962
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:02,860
decentralized people trying to change

963
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:05,050
the world of millions of little

964
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:07,210
Rivendell because the decentralized

965
00:38:12,540 --> 00:38:10,330
model is much more that wider inclusion

966
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:12,550
it's not the sort of pre-internet solver

967
00:38:16,650 --> 00:38:14,170
we just need to get a lot of people

968
00:38:18,540 --> 00:38:16,660
together and all in the one space and

969
00:38:20,370 --> 00:38:18,550
then someone somewhere will listen and

970
00:38:24,090 --> 00:38:20,380
things will change that the management

971
00:38:26,370 --> 00:38:24,100
of the world is not responsive at all so

972
00:38:28,590 --> 00:38:26,380
what it is you think should happen not

973
00:38:30,210 --> 00:38:28,600
at all you could get all of California

974
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:30,220
to march on Washington and nothing would

975
00:38:34,980 --> 00:38:33,010
change it's just not going to happen

976
00:38:37,590 --> 00:38:34,990
what is surprising to me is that

977
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:37,600
arguably except for maybe Vietnam it's

978
00:38:41,730 --> 00:38:39,970
never worked we're trying to do more

979
00:38:42,510 --> 00:38:41,740
something that not only has probably

980
00:38:43,860 --> 00:38:42,520
never worked

981
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:43,870
looking at the kind of data of how

982
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:46,810
history unfolds and also is definitely

983
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:48,160
not going to work but we do have the

984
00:38:51,690 --> 00:38:49,570
data that shows that there is in fact

985
00:38:54,330 --> 00:38:51,700
something that does and so there's been

986
00:38:56,910 --> 00:38:54,340
a real challenge in navigating because

987
00:38:59,850 --> 00:38:56,920
if you approach that from a materialist

988
00:39:03,540 --> 00:38:59,860
perspective particularly if you are a

989
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:03,550
centrist materialist it sounds like

990
00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:06,160
inaction and I have to be careful with

991
00:39:08,190 --> 00:39:07,510
these words because it's actually the

992
00:39:10,410 --> 00:39:08,200
opposite

993
00:39:11,850 --> 00:39:10,420
I see people putting their [\h__\h] hats on

994
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:11,860
and going for a walk and I go that's

995
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:14,170
inaction to me because that won't do

996
00:39:20,850 --> 00:39:18,240
anything yeah so I get the hater-aide

997
00:39:22,140 --> 00:39:20,860
because they see what I'm doing is

998
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:22,150
inaction but I'm like I think it's

999
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:23,410
actually the only thing that will work

1000
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:25,690
yes like I honestly think it's the only

1001
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:27,970
thing that will work so who's the

1002
00:39:33,150 --> 00:39:30,730
inactive one you know and what a great

1003
00:39:35,070 --> 00:39:33,160
tea up for the Bilbo stuff you know

1004
00:39:37,230 --> 00:39:35,080
right at the right time look at you

1005
00:39:39,540 --> 00:39:37,240
seasoned pro but yeah let's get into

1006
00:39:42,450 --> 00:39:39,550
some that stuff you know we talked about

1007
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:42,460
the archetype of Jack Sparrow as a model

1008
00:39:47,610 --> 00:39:44,890
for living in a chaotic world once upon

1009
00:39:49,530 --> 00:39:47,620
a time and I think movie characters are

1010
00:39:51,450 --> 00:39:49,540
great templates for people because we're

1011
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:51,460
all pretty familiar with them you did a

1012
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:53,680
recent solo show that really dug into

1013
00:39:58,980 --> 00:39:56,890
Bilbo Baggins and just like Jack Sparrow

1014
00:40:00,810 --> 00:39:58,990
probably not a place where a lot of

1015
00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:00,820
people would expect to find any sort of

1016
00:40:06,780 --> 00:40:03,310
model but I think you do make some good

1017
00:40:08,490 --> 00:40:06,790
points what can we learn about the way

1018
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:08,500
to approach the world and maybe restore

1019
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:11,090
some hope through looking at mr. B

1020
00:40:17,650 --> 00:40:15,680
yeah I still have my 90s Chaos magic DNA

1021
00:40:19,390 --> 00:40:17,660
which is that sort of interest in pop

1022
00:40:21,490 --> 00:40:19,400
culture that tends to annoy the more

1023
00:40:25,150 --> 00:40:21,500
serious magically inclined people huh

1024
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:25,160
that's my favorite part same I kind of

1025
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:27,770
delight in doing that the Jack Sparrow

1026
00:40:33,550 --> 00:40:31,130
stuff still holds from a economic

1027
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:33,560
advantage perspective and for at least

1028
00:40:39,130 --> 00:40:36,410
half the morality maybe even more what

1029
00:40:41,260 --> 00:40:39,140
Bilbo has to offer and this is when by

1030
00:40:43,540 --> 00:40:41,270
Bilbo we're obviously talking about

1031
00:40:45,250 --> 00:40:43,550
token in general and his inception of

1032
00:40:48,580 --> 00:40:45,260
middle-earth and what's important about

1033
00:40:50,380 --> 00:40:48,590
that is that he did go to war and we

1034
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:50,390
have the premium members and I

1035
00:40:53,890 --> 00:40:51,530
definitely have a very yummy and

1036
00:40:56,350 --> 00:40:53,900
understanding of what middle-earth is

1037
00:40:58,420 --> 00:40:56,360
and what Bilbo represents and whilst

1038
00:41:00,880 --> 00:40:58,430
Tolkien himself may not have articulated

1039
00:41:03,250 --> 00:41:00,890
in those terms he asserted there was a

1040
00:41:04,450 --> 00:41:03,260
certain kind of reality to this stuff so

1041
00:41:06,450 --> 00:41:04,460
let's just say Bill there was a certain

1042
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:06,460
archetype but there is a tremendous

1043
00:41:13,830 --> 00:41:10,490
wisdom in looking at his journey versus

1044
00:41:16,030 --> 00:41:13,840
what you might get in a more recent

1045
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:16,040
matter we want to say action film I

1046
00:41:19,540 --> 00:41:16,970
don't even know if there's a term

1047
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:19,550
anymore but in a more recent film that's

1048
00:41:24,580 --> 00:41:21,170
like an adventure where you have a hero

1049
00:41:26,530 --> 00:41:24,590
and what generally happens is are you

1050
00:41:29,170 --> 00:41:26,540
Star Wars as an example so you pluck

1051
00:41:31,420 --> 00:41:29,180
this little farm boy off his firm and by

1052
00:41:33,850 --> 00:41:31,430
the end of the trilogy he fights and

1053
00:41:35,170 --> 00:41:33,860
defeats the big bad guy so either

1054
00:41:37,830 --> 00:41:35,180
definitely with the emperor or whatever

1055
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:37,840
you want and that is the hero's journey

1056
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:42,170
so that is a sort of encapsulation of an

1057
00:41:47,380 --> 00:41:44,810
individual process it doesn't describe

1058
00:41:49,180 --> 00:41:47,390
reality very well so it's useful to kind

1059
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:49,190
of think with the idea and whoever you

1060
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:50,960
are you are that hero in your life but

1061
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:52,730
if you look at earlier would it be in

1062
00:41:58,030 --> 00:41:55,040
the world and what it is we can actually

1063
00:42:00,250 --> 00:41:58,040
do what child could manage to describe

1064
00:42:01,870 --> 00:42:00,260
and whether this was intentional and

1065
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:01,880
based on the fact that he went to war

1066
00:42:05,470 --> 00:42:03,650
and others didn't mean loss and friends

1067
00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:05,480
and and what it was people were fighting

1068
00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:07,730
for and so on easily did Bilbo and Bilbo

1069
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:09,110
is the main character of the huh Bertram

1070
00:42:14,610 --> 00:42:10,850
he used the hobbit of The Hobbit

1071
00:42:18,490 --> 00:42:14,620
obviously and he gets swept up by the

1072
00:42:19,210 --> 00:42:18,500
forces of history so stuff is going on

1073
00:42:22,180 --> 00:42:19,220
in the world

1074
00:42:23,740 --> 00:42:22,190
I noticed it more because I hadn't after

1075
00:42:24,910 --> 00:42:23,750
I finished the Q 2 course and premium

1076
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:24,920
members I gave myself a few

1077
00:42:30,700 --> 00:42:28,370
days to decompress and I watched I think

1078
00:42:32,740 --> 00:42:30,710
for the first time ever the extended

1079
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:32,750
Hobbit trilogy all through in a couple

1080
00:42:35,530 --> 00:42:33,770
of days like I'd seen them all before

1081
00:42:38,410 --> 00:42:35,540
but I hadn't done it as a single session

1082
00:42:40,090 --> 00:42:38,420
situation wow I don't recommend it if

1083
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:40,100
you busy but otherwise do recommend it

1084
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:42,770
and there's the pieces that Peter

1085
00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:44,690
Jackson has gotten right that Tolkien

1086
00:42:48,490 --> 00:42:46,310
who had done better than told could not

1087
00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:48,500
many but there are a few and one of them

1088
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:50,110
I think in The Hobbit is to kind of

1089
00:42:56,500 --> 00:42:55,010
build a bit more tension and importance

1090
00:42:58,660 --> 00:42:56,510
to the story because one of the

1091
00:43:00,670 --> 00:42:58,670
criticisms that was leveled at token

1092
00:43:02,140 --> 00:43:00,680
after he wrote Lord of the Rings was

1093
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:02,150
well you've turned Gandalf into this

1094
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:04,160
amazing character and there's this huge

1095
00:43:07,870 --> 00:43:05,930
cosmic battle going on for middle-earth

1096
00:43:10,300 --> 00:43:07,880
so why in the hell was Gandalf going on

1097
00:43:12,100 --> 00:43:10,310
effectively a treasure hunt or I heard

1098
00:43:13,870 --> 00:43:12,110
once described as an eating tour of

1099
00:43:15,340 --> 00:43:13,880
middle-earth in The Hobbit and why did

1100
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:15,350
he not recognize the ring so it's

1101
00:43:19,300 --> 00:43:16,850
because the first book is for kids and

1102
00:43:21,370 --> 00:43:19,310
the follow-up book was once token it

1103
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:21,380
more deeply engaged with that imaginal

1104
00:43:26,290 --> 00:43:22,850
realm the whole thing comes roaring

1105
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:26,300
through but Bilbo is not a Luke

1106
00:43:30,690 --> 00:43:29,200
Skywalker hero he swept up

1107
00:43:33,539 --> 00:43:30,700
by the forces of history at

1108
00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:33,549
moment-by-moment wherever he is he

1109
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:35,710
basically does the best he can

1110
00:43:40,799 --> 00:43:38,410
in that small way of hobbits he does the

1111
00:43:43,020 --> 00:43:40,809
best he can and he doesn't even end up

1112
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:43,030
fighting the main bad guy he doesn't

1113
00:43:49,410 --> 00:43:46,240
kill the dragon and he doesn't kill Asik

1114
00:43:51,780 --> 00:43:49,420
or whatever the big oak guy that it

1115
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:51,790
effectively Peter in Renton so he's just

1116
00:43:57,299 --> 00:43:55,359
sort of there but and this is the wisdom

1117
00:43:59,460 --> 00:43:57,309
that you get from Bilbo and middle-earth

1118
00:44:01,140 --> 00:43:59,470
and it's articulated you know strange

1119
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:01,150
way by Galadriel in fellowship with the

1120
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:03,280
ring even the smallest of us can change

1121
00:44:09,150 --> 00:44:05,770
the course of history because the events

1122
00:44:11,069 --> 00:44:09,160
would not have unfolded if Bilbo hadn't

1123
00:44:14,490 --> 00:44:11,079
effectively trying to do his best at

1124
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:14,500
every moment winning or not and he's not

1125
00:44:19,980 --> 00:44:17,440
the hero he's not the guys that kill the

1126
00:44:21,319 --> 00:44:19,990
Dragons and and you know fights our on

1127
00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:21,329
and all that kind of stuff and that

1128
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:25,089
seemed to me a really good model of or a

1129
00:44:29,730 --> 00:44:27,040
potential source of inspiration for how

1130
00:44:33,059 --> 00:44:29,740
it is how you decide to do what you can

1131
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:33,069
do in the world because you don't get to

1132
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:35,680
fight Celeron so you don't

1133
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:38,319
single-handedly defeat Trump or whatever

1134
00:44:44,370 --> 00:44:40,930
it is you consider to be sour like that

1135
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:44,380
is not for you that's not your fate but

1136
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:46,690
nevertheless there are stuff you can do

1137
00:44:51,059 --> 00:44:48,970
and it appears that history works like

1138
00:44:54,420 --> 00:44:51,069
this it's not just middle-earth history

1139
00:44:56,670 --> 00:44:54,430
works in this nonlinear unpredictable

1140
00:44:59,579 --> 00:44:56,680
way little moments over there's actually

1141
00:45:02,069 --> 00:44:59,589
macro sweeps on a cycle basis but not

1142
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:02,079
being rude to that waitress because you

1143
00:45:07,380 --> 00:45:04,960
had a bad day you don't actually know if

1144
00:45:09,660 --> 00:45:07,390
that isn't the thing that changes the

1145
00:45:11,460 --> 00:45:09,670
whole world and that's the kind of Bilbo

1146
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:11,470
lesson like you do your best in these

1147
00:45:16,500 --> 00:45:13,359
situations and generally try not to be a

1148
00:45:18,569 --> 00:45:16,510
dick in that asserting sovereignties of

1149
00:45:21,210 --> 00:45:18,579
which is from the word in trying to make

1150
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:21,220
your sphere of influence better you

1151
00:45:24,539 --> 00:45:22,569
don't know if you're Bilbo you don't

1152
00:45:27,420 --> 00:45:24,549
know if you were the thing that rules

1153
00:45:29,609 --> 00:45:27,430
the fate of many which was the kind of

1154
00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:29,619
really delightful twist in all the books

1155
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:33,250
which is he decides not to kill Gollum

1156
00:45:37,530 --> 00:45:36,130
in The Hobbit in the book as well as the

1157
00:45:40,210 --> 00:45:37,540
movie after he's got the ring in his

1158
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:40,220
hair invisible and he can kill

1159
00:45:45,070 --> 00:45:42,890
but doesn't and it's the pity that stays

1160
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:45,080
real boat hand is the line and because

1161
00:45:49,210 --> 00:45:47,690
of that so Bilbo's pity ruled the fate

1162
00:45:51,730 --> 00:45:49,220
of many because obviously you jump all

1163
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:51,740
the way to Return of the King and Gollum

1164
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:53,359
needs to be alive for the ring to be

1165
00:45:59,890 --> 00:45:56,530
destroyed and that's that kind of weird

1166
00:46:04,349 --> 00:45:59,900
spiritual wisdom that you find in token

1167
00:46:08,620 --> 00:46:04,359
that I think suggests I think suggests a

1168
00:46:10,990 --> 00:46:08,630
more effective way of I guess being an

1169
00:46:13,660 --> 00:46:11,000
activist if we know but the collective

1170
00:46:15,130 --> 00:46:13,670
approach doesn't work you don't know if

1171
00:46:18,339 --> 00:46:15,140
whatever it is you're doing in your

1172
00:46:20,890 --> 00:46:18,349
sphere he's going to be the thing that

1173
00:46:23,470 --> 00:46:20,900
ends up destroying the ring and that's

1174
00:46:25,930 --> 00:46:23,480
really encouraging that's actually glass

1175
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:25,940
half-full yeah that's what I'm trying to

1176
00:46:30,070 --> 00:46:28,160
get across to people is this isn't

1177
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:30,080
settling and this isn't inaction it's

1178
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:32,480
the opposite and it's a hope because it

1179
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:34,490
has for me my hope it provides a

1180
00:46:37,660 --> 00:46:36,170
framework for people's really

1181
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:37,670
understandable sense of like I need to

1182
00:46:41,950 --> 00:46:39,440
do something because the world should be

1183
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:41,960
better yes and if you have the options

1184
00:46:46,570 --> 00:46:44,000
of protesting or going you know what I'm

1185
00:46:49,420 --> 00:46:46,580
actually just gonna try and be that

1186
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:49,430
little Rivendell see how far I can Riven

1187
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:51,770
down my life and that's why I think

1188
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:55,130
Bilbo is the hero for our times I love

1189
00:47:00,370 --> 00:46:57,410
it I think it's a great response to the

1190
00:47:02,530 --> 00:47:00,380
general doom and gloom and I do think

1191
00:47:04,660 --> 00:47:02,540
you're right as well I've always kind of

1192
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:04,670
thought no matter how the conversations

1193
00:47:10,359 --> 00:47:06,530
were going on the show about how bad

1194
00:47:11,710 --> 00:47:10,369
things are that trends yeah you can pick

1195
00:47:14,290 --> 00:47:11,720
out the trend and it might be a

1196
00:47:16,300 --> 00:47:14,300
decades-long trend but trends have

1197
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:16,310
counter reactions when they reach a

1198
00:47:21,700 --> 00:47:19,250
certain point usually and here we are

1199
00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:21,710
talking about this giant pivot and all

1200
00:47:27,250 --> 00:47:24,710
this kind of [\h__\h] but on an individual

1201
00:47:30,730 --> 00:47:27,260
level man I mean what kind of Bilbo

1202
00:47:33,609 --> 00:47:30,740
esque butterfly effects as you put it

1203
00:47:36,460 --> 00:47:33,619
small things with outsized fate impacts

1204
00:47:37,870 --> 00:47:36,470
can people do in our world I know we can

1205
00:47:41,170 --> 00:47:37,880
be nice to the waitress sure but

1206
00:47:44,589 --> 00:47:41,180
anything more activist tea yeah

1207
00:47:48,820 --> 00:47:44,599
absolutely I mean if you are and I did

1208
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:48,830
it your political leverage decreases

1209
00:47:52,510 --> 00:47:51,890
every step you go up to the point where

1210
00:47:54,340 --> 00:47:52,520
I mean

1211
00:47:55,810 --> 00:47:54,350
even at a state level it's zero but like

1212
00:47:58,570 --> 00:47:55,820
let's just say you get up to the

1213
00:48:00,820 --> 00:47:58,580
president and it's zero or negative but

1214
00:48:03,580 --> 00:48:00,830
if you are interested in like saying

1215
00:48:04,990 --> 00:48:03,590
actually I need something meteor my

1216
00:48:06,850 --> 00:48:05,000
goodness if you don't know your

1217
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:06,860
sheriff's name and your mayor's name and

1218
00:48:11,110 --> 00:48:09,200
the rest of it that's where you start

1219
00:48:13,150 --> 00:48:11,120
you actually start at a local level and

1220
00:48:15,220 --> 00:48:13,160
this is that thing Catherine says this

1221
00:48:16,510 --> 00:48:15,230
as well like a mighty army arises when

1222
00:48:17,770 --> 00:48:16,520
you do that because think of the

1223
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:17,780
distribution of people listening to this

1224
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:20,090
show you must have maybe one in every

1225
00:48:25,330 --> 00:48:21,890
county in the US it's not that many

1226
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:25,340
counties so there's a leverage

1227
00:48:30,550 --> 00:48:28,010
opportunity here of being active at a

1228
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:30,560
lower level so it's not just trying to

1229
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:32,210
be Jesus in your day to day life and

1230
00:48:36,450 --> 00:48:34,370
just being nice to people you actually

1231
00:48:39,790 --> 00:48:36,460
can get involved with the trouble is

1232
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:39,800
because of how dominant this macro

1233
00:48:44,830 --> 00:48:42,170
narrative that you cannot impact is

1234
00:48:46,030 --> 00:48:44,840
people think that that's the battle and

1235
00:48:47,980 --> 00:48:46,040
that's what they need to do but you have

1236
00:48:50,740 --> 00:48:47,990
never been able to influence a president

1237
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:50,750
over a monarch or something you've never

1238
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:53,330
been able to and you just think can you

1239
00:48:57,010 --> 00:48:55,040
imagine like what did he die tomorrow

1240
00:48:58,570 --> 00:48:57,020
can you imagine being at the gates of

1241
00:48:59,800 --> 00:48:58,580
you know so peter's gates and you know

1242
00:49:02,050 --> 00:48:59,810
so what did you do how did you try to

1243
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:02,060
save the world and went well i yelled at

1244
00:49:06,700 --> 00:49:04,160
the president on twitter and i was just

1245
00:49:10,180 --> 00:49:06,710
generally unbelievably toxic to people

1246
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:10,190
around me because i was so angry and you

1247
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:13,250
think do you try and explain your steps

1248
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:15,680
to st. peter and see if you're heading

1249
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:17,090
in the right direction so there's the

1250
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:19,610
local activism there is also broadly

1251
00:49:23,860 --> 00:49:21,410
speaking spiritual warfare there's also

1252
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:23,870
the fact that you can use prayer and

1253
00:49:28,690 --> 00:49:26,000
intentions you make the world better you

1254
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:28,700
can also use your economic clout an

1255
00:49:33,220 --> 00:49:30,890
individual economic wrap to buy with

1256
00:49:34,570 --> 00:49:33,230
integrity now that's very often a

1257
00:49:36,430 --> 00:49:34,580
marketing scam particularly if you're

1258
00:49:38,170 --> 00:49:36,440
shopping in supermarkets and so on but

1259
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:38,180
it need not be you just need to kind of

1260
00:49:42,610 --> 00:49:40,370
set yourself up a policy of going I'm

1261
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:42,620
going to spend the most amount possible

1262
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:45,890
the closest distance possible to my

1263
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:48,410
house and it stemmed out from there on

1264
00:49:52,270 --> 00:49:50,930
everything so if you can find and

1265
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:52,280
obviously the people you deal with have

1266
00:49:57,390 --> 00:49:54,530
that integrity and so on but there are a

1267
00:49:59,970 --> 00:49:57,400
bunch of ways that you can start

1268
00:50:02,400 --> 00:49:59,980
greening the desert by getting involved

1269
00:50:03,900 --> 00:50:02,410
politically by engaging in spiritual

1270
00:50:06,420 --> 00:50:03,910
warfare in the correct way which is

1271
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:06,430
essentially trying to make things better

1272
00:50:11,310 --> 00:50:09,010
around you and praying for certain macro

1273
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:11,320
stuff so not being toxic but going for

1274
00:50:15,690 --> 00:50:12,640
increased peace or increased tolerance

1275
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:15,700
or so on these things have been proven

1276
00:50:19,710 --> 00:50:17,770
to work there are decades of research

1277
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:19,720
behind this kind of stuff so it's not

1278
00:50:23,340 --> 00:50:22,000
inaction it's the opposite and then

1279
00:50:25,710 --> 00:50:23,350
there's the economic that the thing is

1280
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:25,720
it depends on your context so you can

1281
00:50:29,730 --> 00:50:27,760
really only say macro things because I

1282
00:50:32,220 --> 00:50:29,740
don't know what your particular bilbo

1283
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:32,230
experience would be in the show you

1284
00:50:36,540 --> 00:50:33,850
mentioned I also kind of say like that

1285
00:50:37,830 --> 00:50:36,550
actually scales up so we were talking

1286
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:37,840
about the Joint Chiefs earlier like if

1287
00:50:41,820 --> 00:50:39,280
you have a very senior job at the

1288
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:41,830
Pentagon and you are responsible for

1289
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:44,890
things like drone striking your many

1290
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:47,410
weddings and all the rest of it in a

1291
00:50:51,570 --> 00:50:49,690
funny way that's still a bilbo

1292
00:50:54,030 --> 00:50:51,580
experience because you have to rely on

1293
00:50:55,380 --> 00:50:54,040
your personal experience of the

1294
00:50:57,540 --> 00:50:55,390
immediate surrounds which is your

1295
00:50:59,580 --> 00:50:57,550
workplace and you want to be conscious

1296
00:51:01,950 --> 00:50:59,590
of the thoughts and that you're bringing

1297
00:51:04,770 --> 00:51:01,960
to it and consider the morality of

1298
00:51:06,510 --> 00:51:04,780
either doing this or not doing it even

1299
00:51:09,180 --> 00:51:06,520
though you were told to and so on so

1300
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:09,190
this is kind of the bilbo experience of

1301
00:51:14,339 --> 00:51:11,530
changing the stuff you can around you in

1302
00:51:17,130 --> 00:51:14,349
fact scales up so it's almost like

1303
00:51:17,759 --> 00:51:17,140
the individual thing works at every

1304
00:51:19,229 --> 00:51:17,769
scale

1305
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:19,239
so again if where you are in your

1306
00:51:25,650 --> 00:51:22,569
context will determine what it is you

1307
00:51:27,779 --> 00:51:25,660
can actually do and there is some good

1308
00:51:29,909 --> 00:51:27,789
stuff as well as a sense of sort of

1309
00:51:31,799 --> 00:51:29,919
waiting for there's some good stuff in

1310
00:51:34,349 --> 00:51:31,809
the collective action one of them I

1311
00:51:35,219 --> 00:51:34,359
think you guys have way too many federal

1312
00:51:37,289 --> 00:51:35,229
agencies right

1313
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:37,299
way too many way too many people with

1314
00:51:41,370 --> 00:51:39,249
guns that can take you from your houses

1315
00:51:43,169 --> 00:51:41,380
and either deport you or whatever it is

1316
00:51:46,109 --> 00:51:43,179
there's buildup of them so you look at

1317
00:51:47,759 --> 00:51:46,119
what the centrist Democrats have decided

1318
00:51:49,380 --> 00:51:47,769
to be a wedge issue and this is the bit

1319
00:51:51,299 --> 00:51:49,390
where you have to say this Britain say

1320
00:51:52,319 --> 00:51:51,309
it's not a pro Trump statement because

1321
00:51:54,779 --> 00:51:52,329
you go to look at the glass half-full

1322
00:51:59,309 --> 00:51:54,789
which is the whole ice deportation thing

1323
00:52:01,229 --> 00:51:59,319
which is vile it is looking like I don't

1324
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:01,239
care which federal agency you start with

1325
00:52:06,419 --> 00:52:03,249
if ice end up getting abolished great

1326
00:52:08,489 --> 00:52:06,429
now move on to ATF or DEA or any of

1327
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:08,499
these other like dozen things that does

1328
00:52:15,689 --> 00:52:13,650
the same stuff for you which is tyranny

1329
00:52:17,669 --> 00:52:15,699
they're trying to use it as a wedge

1330
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:17,679
issue and this is the bit that sounds

1331
00:52:23,219 --> 00:52:19,599
proton Pat isn't it's like a wedge issue

1332
00:52:25,890 --> 00:52:23,229
for a US policy that long predates the

1333
00:52:28,799 --> 00:52:25,900
current administration so that's the bit

1334
00:52:30,059 --> 00:52:28,809
where you got to be careful and seize

1335
00:52:31,289 --> 00:52:30,069
the opportunity because you don't want

1336
00:52:32,789 --> 00:52:31,299
to fall into the bait at being like

1337
00:52:34,199 --> 00:52:32,799
abolish ice but this is just a

1338
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:34,209
continuation of policy that's getting

1339
00:52:38,130 --> 00:52:36,400
caught in and partisan weeds watch that

1340
00:52:41,819 --> 00:52:38,140
stuff and go there might in fact be an

1341
00:52:43,439 --> 00:52:41,829
opportunity to start unpicking various

1342
00:52:46,259 --> 00:52:43,449
federal agencies and it starts with oh

1343
00:52:49,469 --> 00:52:46,269
it's great so that's the sort of weirder

1344
00:52:53,279 --> 00:52:49,479
higher mind thinking that allows you to

1345
00:52:54,929 --> 00:52:53,289
combine local political action with you

1346
00:52:56,999 --> 00:52:54,939
might be in a swing state that you might

1347
00:52:59,009 --> 00:52:57,009
have someone who's promising some action

1348
00:53:02,849 --> 00:52:59,019
that you agree with when it comes to ice

1349
00:53:04,949 --> 00:53:02,859
in particular vote for them across the

1350
00:53:06,329 --> 00:53:04,959
aisle if you think this is we're in that

1351
00:53:08,969 --> 00:53:06,339
stage of being that kind of strategic

1352
00:53:11,669 --> 00:53:08,979
and is there's so much stuff we could do

1353
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:11,679
I know it's really bad out there and I

1354
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:13,119
know you just kind of have to take a few

1355
00:53:18,959 --> 00:53:16,569
deep breaths realize that maybe you need

1356
00:53:21,479 --> 00:53:18,969
to re-educate a reorganize your thoughts

1357
00:53:25,100 --> 00:53:21,489
about how the world is being managed and

1358
00:53:26,330 --> 00:53:25,110
just there's so much humans can't die I

1359
00:53:28,100 --> 00:53:26,340
have this conversations well you

1360
00:53:29,900 --> 00:53:28,110
actually can't be killed by what's going

1361
00:53:31,130 --> 00:53:29,910
on even if you are physically murdered

1362
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:31,140
you're not dead

1363
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:33,330
the thing that you really are can't be

1364
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:37,200
destroyed so there's so much power and

1365
00:53:42,740 --> 00:53:38,880
people don't realize they're playing

1366
00:53:45,740 --> 00:53:42,750
reality in god mode because you are God

1367
00:53:48,500 --> 00:53:45,750
so it's an attitudinal adjustment that

1368
00:53:52,490 --> 00:53:48,510
allows you to live your best to build

1369
00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:52,500
their life I guess yeah well said and

1370
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:53,730
you know I like a good video game

1371
00:53:59,840 --> 00:53:57,330
reference and something else from that

1372
00:54:02,390 --> 00:53:59,850
episode that I really liked was the

1373
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:02,400
picture you painted of a future that

1374
00:54:05,780 --> 00:54:03,810
I've never really heard described

1375
00:54:07,490 --> 00:54:05,790
anywhere else because like you said on

1376
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:07,500
the last show you expect antigravity

1377
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:10,530
crafts and those sort of quarantine deep

1378
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:13,050
state toys to start getting rolled out

1379
00:54:17,950 --> 00:54:15,330
possibly in the next two years which

1380
00:54:21,110 --> 00:54:17,960
seems incredibly soon given how

1381
00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:21,120
political timelines work but we also

1382
00:54:26,930 --> 00:54:23,730
need to get back to living amongst

1383
00:54:31,130 --> 00:54:26,940
natural system so talk to us about this

1384
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:31,140
hobbit hole flying saucer vision of the

1385
00:54:37,070 --> 00:54:32,370
future because I thought it was quite

1386
00:54:39,770 --> 00:54:37,080
creative right if you look at how the

1387
00:54:42,260 --> 00:54:39,780
kind of stuff that's in the proverbial

1388
00:54:45,530 --> 00:54:42,270
underground bases probably works in a

1389
00:54:47,420 --> 00:54:45,540
way that is the propulsion system by

1390
00:54:49,460 --> 00:54:47,430
definition and I think dr. Laviolette is

1391
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:49,470
probably the closest in terms of it

1392
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:52,650
being electric Riddick it's almost a

1393
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:54,210
development on Tesla in the sense that

1394
00:54:58,940 --> 00:54:56,400
you're dealing with using counter

1395
00:55:00,830 --> 00:54:58,950
rotation to create like a local gravity

1396
00:55:03,050 --> 00:55:00,840
affected you have that quote-unquote

1397
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:03,060
free energy I think that's probably what

1398
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:04,330
it is

1399
00:55:06,750 --> 00:55:05,170
I think that's probably the best

1400
00:55:09,300 --> 00:55:06,760
description it's a more accurate way of

1401
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:09,310
saying it because inevitably he's going

1402
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:10,930
to be wrong because he doesn't build

1403
00:55:15,210 --> 00:55:13,210
these things right well the implication

1404
00:55:17,580 --> 00:55:15,220
of that as opposed to how we use

1405
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:17,590
hydrocarbons in a combustion engine to

1406
00:55:23,700 --> 00:55:21,760
propel things around in gravity is a

1407
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:23,710
quote unquote Flying Saucer is

1408
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:26,170
essentially natural because it

1409
00:55:31,530 --> 00:55:28,960
harmonizes with how the universe works

1410
00:55:32,970 --> 00:55:31,540
or else it wouldn't now you can kind of

1411
00:55:35,700 --> 00:55:32,980
make the case that hydrocarbons do

1412
00:55:37,740 --> 00:55:35,710
because you are sort of releasing their

1413
00:55:39,780 --> 00:55:37,750
stored energy in a series of small

1414
00:55:41,220 --> 00:55:39,790
explosions that will then drive Pistons

1415
00:55:43,020 --> 00:55:41,230
that will then move your car and you

1416
00:55:44,850 --> 00:55:43,030
know fine but that's not actually what I

1417
00:55:46,980 --> 00:55:44,860
mean I mean the fact that these things

1418
00:55:49,470 --> 00:55:46,990
can work continuously in at high speeds

1419
00:55:51,210 --> 00:55:49,480
in space sort of puts it in a different

1420
00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:51,220
category I mean in this free energy

1421
00:55:54,900 --> 00:55:52,960
category now you mentioned the farm at

1422
00:55:56,970 --> 00:55:54,910
the beginning of the episode the

1423
00:55:59,940 --> 00:55:56,980
beginning the year I moved on to a small

1424
00:56:01,380 --> 00:55:59,950
farm in southern Tasmania it's a very

1425
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:01,390
green permaculture designer the

1426
00:56:06,330 --> 00:56:03,010
intention over the next few years is to

1427
00:56:07,530 --> 00:56:06,340
fully permaculture space and have the

1428
00:56:09,450 --> 00:56:07,540
house optimized from that kind of

1429
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:09,460
perspective and one of the things that

1430
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:11,650
you will find in the permaculture

1431
00:56:16,140 --> 00:56:13,930
designers manual in a way but also in

1432
00:56:18,570 --> 00:56:16,150
more recently retro suburbia by David

1433
00:56:20,850 --> 00:56:18,580
holmgren excellent book is this idea of

1434
00:56:22,380 --> 00:56:20,860
a cool cupboard now a cool cupboard is

1435
00:56:24,420 --> 00:56:22,390
pretty much just what it sounds it's a

1436
00:56:25,590 --> 00:56:24,430
fridge replacement so it's a ladder that

1437
00:56:27,710 --> 00:56:25,600
you have in your house and how it works

1438
00:56:30,570 --> 00:56:27,720
is that you dig a trench a meter deep

1439
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:30,580
about 15 to 20 meters long and you put a

1440
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:33,130
pipe in it and obviously sticks up so it

1441
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:34,450
gets air in in the middle of your yard

1442
00:56:38,430 --> 00:56:36,880
or so on but this is the equivalent of

1443
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:38,440
the flying saucer because people in

1444
00:56:44,370 --> 00:56:40,090
permaculture will describe that as a

1445
00:56:47,250 --> 00:56:44,380
low-energy solution but it's free energy

1446
00:56:50,970 --> 00:56:47,260
because it is how you are harmonizing

1447
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:50,980
with how the universe actually runs so

1448
00:56:54,750 --> 00:56:53,170
the air comes from outside through the

1449
00:56:57,750 --> 00:56:54,760
pipe where it's deep enough and long

1450
00:56:59,550 --> 00:56:57,760
enough that obviously stored heat gets

1451
00:57:01,560 --> 00:56:59,560
stripped out so that by the time it

1452
00:57:04,380 --> 00:57:01,570
sticks up through your floor and into

1453
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:04,390
your cool cupboard or fridge replacement

1454
00:57:08,550 --> 00:57:06,370
the air is cool and the thing is

1455
00:57:10,650 --> 00:57:08,560
refrigerators haven't actually improved

1456
00:57:12,750 --> 00:57:10,660
even though they can now text you and

1457
00:57:14,790 --> 00:57:12,760
say pick up milk or order it from Amazon

1458
00:57:15,900 --> 00:57:14,800
and all this other ridiculous monitoring

1459
00:57:17,930 --> 00:57:15,910
stuff that you don't need in your life

1460
00:57:21,020 --> 00:57:17,940
there's was science behind

1461
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:21,030
why we refrigerate food hasn't changed

1462
00:57:24,319 --> 00:57:22,530
that much and is if anything gotten

1463
00:57:29,660 --> 00:57:24,329
worse as our food supply chains of

1464
00:57:32,030 --> 00:57:29,670
lengthened so if you talk to say I did a

1465
00:57:34,609 --> 00:57:32,040
documentary on Falun Gong off well and

1466
00:57:36,589 --> 00:57:34,619
artha a long time ago so you have

1467
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:36,599
Chinese mystics and Chinese energy

1468
00:57:40,670 --> 00:57:38,880
workers who will tell you that for some

1469
00:57:42,170 --> 00:57:40,680
reason that she and Western stomachs is

1470
00:57:43,940 --> 00:57:42,180
really cold and slow and then they

1471
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:43,950
worked out are you guys eat refrigerated

1472
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:45,359
food this is not how it's supposed to

1473
00:57:50,359 --> 00:57:47,760
work but most of the stuff that we keep

1474
00:57:52,130 --> 00:57:50,369
refrigerated doesn't need to be as cold

1475
00:57:53,780 --> 00:57:52,140
as it is so cheese is a very good

1476
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:53,790
example and it needs to breathe and

1477
00:57:56,089 --> 00:57:55,050
whatever and you just put the kind of

1478
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:56,099
stuff that doesn't need to be

1479
00:57:59,120 --> 00:57:57,810
refrigerated towards the bottom of the

1480
00:58:01,250 --> 00:57:59,130
cool cupboard then you stack it up

1481
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:01,260
towards things that need less of it

1482
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:03,839
again at the top you would have leafy

1483
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:05,130
greens and things that you're gonna eat

1484
00:58:11,180 --> 00:58:08,730
recently so this this Flying Saucer cool

1485
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:11,190
cupboard combination is how it's again

1486
00:58:15,099 --> 00:58:13,170
one of those utopian things how can you

1487
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:15,109
live in a way

1488
00:58:20,890 --> 00:58:17,690
that the natural functioning of the

1489
00:58:23,470 --> 00:58:20,900
universe helped you grow or improve your

1490
00:58:25,630 --> 00:58:23,480
life rather than makes it worse and

1491
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:25,640
there's just this amazing opportunity to

1492
00:58:29,620 --> 00:58:28,130
start thinking this I think this is the

1493
00:58:32,739 --> 00:58:29,630
point of utopia is rather than to have

1494
00:58:34,989 --> 00:58:32,749
them fulfilled which never works it's to

1495
00:58:38,410 --> 00:58:34,999
kind of dangle at the edge of our

1496
00:58:40,059 --> 00:58:38,420
perception that star to follow and to

1497
00:58:42,130 --> 00:58:40,069
always be hopeful and to have it improve

1498
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:42,140
so for me there's a lot of things you

1499
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:44,569
can actually do just by changing your

1500
00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:46,970
perception about the kind of cosmos you

1501
00:58:53,559 --> 00:58:50,569
actually live in that invites again more

1502
00:58:55,870 --> 00:58:53,569
optimism mm-hmm yeah I just think that

1503
00:58:58,079 --> 00:58:55,880
is a great kind of utopian vision for

1504
00:59:00,690 --> 00:58:58,089
the future because it hasn't really been

1505
00:59:04,749 --> 00:59:00,700
put on the big screen you know as much

1506
00:59:06,849 --> 00:59:04,759
sci-fi dystopian utopian future driven

1507
00:59:10,029 --> 00:59:06,859
stuff we've been given I've never really

1508
00:59:12,489 --> 00:59:10,039
seen a kind of back to nature paradigm

1509
00:59:14,859 --> 00:59:12,499
with a flying saucer parked in the

1510
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:14,869
driveway in a little hobbit I think it's

1511
00:59:19,870 --> 00:59:17,450
very cool yeah the closest you'll get is

1512
00:59:22,839 --> 00:59:19,880
a little grin some of her work but yes

1513
00:59:25,359 --> 00:59:22,849
my perfect vision for the future so my

1514
00:59:27,339 --> 00:59:25,369
utopia I think it would look like a

1515
00:59:29,799 --> 00:59:27,349
perfected Polynesian Society

1516
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:29,809
so we're multiplanetary and you have

1517
00:59:36,039 --> 00:59:32,690
local governments organized by bioregion

1518
00:59:37,630 --> 00:59:36,049
and it's all River catchment because if

1519
00:59:39,309 --> 00:59:37,640
you did it this way you would that's

1520
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:39,319
your soul for pollution around the world

1521
00:59:42,910 --> 00:59:41,210
literally the same thing went through a

1522
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:42,920
Mars and so there's this kind of

1523
00:59:46,989 --> 00:59:45,440
combination of high-technology us moving

1524
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:46,999
between multiple planets and within

1525
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:48,170
those planets we are actually

1526
00:59:52,180 --> 00:59:50,210
harmonizing with the local biosphere and

1527
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:52,190
having that kind of local economy and

1528
00:59:57,549 --> 00:59:54,890
food production systems that improve the

1529
00:59:59,559 --> 00:59:57,559
soil and the planet rather than make

1530
01:00:01,269 --> 00:59:59,569
them worse so the thing is as far as I

1531
01:00:03,729 --> 01:00:01,279
can tell we do have flying saucers we do

1532
01:00:06,450 --> 01:00:03,739
a permaculture whatever it's not going

1533
01:00:09,849 --> 01:00:06,460
to happen but my utopia could happen

1534
01:00:12,519 --> 01:00:09,859
yeah well that's kind of a thread that

1535
01:00:14,229 --> 01:00:12,529
I've explored on the show that kind of

1536
01:00:15,759 --> 01:00:14,239
surprised me that I didn't know I would

1537
01:00:18,940 --> 01:00:15,769
love so much and I know there's much

1538
01:00:21,309 --> 01:00:18,950
more to explore but those kind of

1539
01:00:23,890 --> 01:00:21,319
alternative scientists who looked for

1540
01:00:26,529 --> 01:00:23,900
things more in tune with nature like a

1541
01:00:28,910 --> 01:00:26,539
viktor schauberger or wilhelm reich you

1542
01:00:30,860 --> 01:00:28,920
know Tesla I guess I've done shows

1543
01:00:32,300 --> 01:00:30,870
to get into Native American abundance

1544
01:00:35,900 --> 01:00:32,310
engineering because we think they just

1545
01:00:37,970 --> 01:00:35,910
lived like huh play it as it lies but

1546
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:37,980
that isn't the case they actually did

1547
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:39,930
things to engineer the abundance and

1548
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:41,850
that's like such a paradigm change and

1549
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:44,610
so incorporating all that kind of stuff

1550
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:47,370
with high-technology deep state toys I

1551
01:00:55,820 --> 01:00:50,730
mean that is pretty much my utopia -

1552
01:00:58,520 --> 01:00:55,830
that seems so fun right and this is a

1553
01:01:02,060 --> 01:00:58,530
pretty heavy thing to end on but I gotta

1554
01:01:04,790 --> 01:01:02,070
I gotta ask you because I think you have

1555
01:01:07,130 --> 01:01:04,800
an insight into conspiracy magic and

1556
01:01:10,070 --> 01:01:07,140
psychology which are all involved here

1557
01:01:12,860 --> 01:01:10,080
but lately I have seen more than one

1558
01:01:15,590 --> 01:01:12,870
person I know go through a classic -

1559
01:01:18,830 --> 01:01:15,600
deep down the rabbit hole psychological

1560
01:01:20,420 --> 01:01:18,840
break hospitalization in one case and it

1561
01:01:24,260 --> 01:01:20,430
weighs really heavy on me as a

1562
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:24,270
conspiracy peddler but it also seems to

1563
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:26,610
be an archetype of philosophers who

1564
01:01:32,030 --> 01:01:28,290
think too hard and go over the edge

1565
01:01:33,710 --> 01:01:32,040
classic the number 23 kind of stuff and

1566
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:33,720
it happens with conspiratorial thinkers

1567
01:01:39,380 --> 01:01:37,440
and magic practitioners and we can use

1568
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:39,390
medical terms like bipolar or

1569
01:01:44,900 --> 01:01:42,570
schizophrenic but being someone who has

1570
01:01:46,370 --> 01:01:44,910
what I think is a more accurate model

1571
01:01:48,260 --> 01:01:46,380
for things like the mind and

1572
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:48,270
consciousness and where ideas even come

1573
01:01:52,610 --> 01:01:50,010
from and how spirits can interact with

1574
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:52,620
us sometimes without us knowing what do

1575
01:01:58,010 --> 01:01:55,890
you think is happening to a person who

1576
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:58,020
goes through that process and maybe

1577
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:00,720
never comes back the same because I'm

1578
01:02:05,780 --> 01:02:03,330
really not satisfied with just the

1579
01:02:08,270 --> 01:02:05,790
clinical psychology explanation

1580
01:02:10,940 --> 01:02:08,280
yeah well that's understandable because

1581
01:02:14,060 --> 01:02:10,950
it's based on a faulty science of mind

1582
01:02:17,060 --> 01:02:14,070
which is quite materialist so I want to

1583
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:17,070
be clear that having just said that even

1584
01:02:19,970 --> 01:02:18,570
though the classifications are arbitrary

1585
01:02:22,010 --> 01:02:19,980
for people that their mental illness is

1586
01:02:24,350 --> 01:02:22,020
a real thing etc this is Anna Tom Cruise

1587
01:02:25,790 --> 01:02:24,360
statement so there is psychotic breaks

1588
01:02:28,190 --> 01:02:25,800
and that's what I'm going to talk about

1589
01:02:29,330 --> 01:02:28,200
now in a way which is fundamentally

1590
01:02:31,700 --> 01:02:29,340
different to something like bipolar

1591
01:02:33,830 --> 01:02:31,710
disorder and what have you thoughts are

1592
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:33,840
real Greg that's kind of what you are

1593
01:02:38,180 --> 01:02:35,610
intimating like they're real they have

1594
01:02:40,370 --> 01:02:38,190
some kind of reality if you haven't

1595
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:40,380
improved which is the materialist one is

1596
01:02:44,890 --> 01:02:42,290
100% wrong so any

1597
01:02:46,830 --> 01:02:44,900
idealism whatever you want next step up

1598
01:02:50,350 --> 01:02:46,840
from that you're in a better situation

1599
01:02:52,510 --> 01:02:50,360
the implications of a even ninety-nine

1600
01:02:53,950 --> 01:02:52,520
percent wrong the science of mind is

1601
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:53,960
that the thoughts have some reality

1602
01:02:58,210 --> 01:02:55,850
they're not just in your head they

1603
01:02:59,800 --> 01:02:58,220
extend beyond it thoughts may have

1604
01:03:02,800 --> 01:02:59,810
people rather than people have thoughts

1605
01:03:04,210 --> 01:03:02,810
which is a very Union idea so they're

1606
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:04,220
real which means some of them are

1607
01:03:07,630 --> 01:03:05,810
dangerous and I don't mean dangerous

1608
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:07,640
that you should avoid them but they can

1609
01:03:12,850 --> 01:03:09,680
fascinate you under the rocks in the

1610
01:03:13,990 --> 01:03:12,860
same way a mermaid can and as a result

1611
01:03:15,790 --> 01:03:14,000
if you're getting too involved in

1612
01:03:17,710 --> 01:03:15,800
anything and it doesn't even need to be

1613
01:03:20,140 --> 01:03:17,720
conspiracy guess what

1614
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:20,150
first time for you meditation time for

1615
01:03:24,340 --> 01:03:22,610
you all of these things because yeah you

1616
01:03:26,950 --> 01:03:24,350
use some really good examples there of

1617
01:03:28,150 --> 01:03:26,960
just various geniuses and musical

1618
01:03:31,230 --> 01:03:28,160
prodigies and all that kind of stuff

1619
01:03:33,700 --> 01:03:31,240
other than just magicians whatever the

1620
01:03:36,370 --> 01:03:33,710
however you want to call it the imaginal

1621
01:03:40,270 --> 01:03:36,380
or the mindscape or what-have-you has a

1622
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:40,280
reality and very often if you don't know

1623
01:03:47,260 --> 01:03:43,210
that going in you are in a situation of

1624
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:47,270
increased risk of hitting those rocks so

1625
01:03:52,270 --> 01:03:50,210
yeah and it is a case of especially if

1626
01:03:54,490 --> 01:03:52,280
you're under situations of anxiety and

1627
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:54,500
so on at the same time like if you want

1628
01:03:59,740 --> 01:03:57,170
to think these thoughts if you actually

1629
01:04:00,280 --> 01:03:59,750
want to follow and want is maybe the

1630
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:00,290
wrong word

1631
01:04:03,900 --> 01:04:01,850
this is always comes back to the kind of

1632
01:04:08,650 --> 01:04:03,910
T loss of conspiracy in the first place

1633
01:04:10,900 --> 01:04:08,660
if you feel you should follow these very

1634
01:04:12,490 --> 01:04:10,910
bad people whatever they happen to be

1635
01:04:14,170 --> 01:04:12,500
from are kind of managing the world

1636
01:04:16,690 --> 01:04:14,180
perspective

1637
01:04:17,980 --> 01:04:16,700
down that route if you want to know what

1638
01:04:19,410 --> 01:04:17,990
it is they're doing and how they're

1639
01:04:21,569 --> 01:04:19,420
thinking

1640
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:21,579
that's some really dark places that you

1641
01:04:26,420 --> 01:04:24,010
go and if you do that in a case in

1642
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:26,430
anxiety and obsession and so on then

1643
01:04:30,809 --> 01:04:28,930
yeah you put yourself at risk in it

1644
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:30,819
people listening to this are in that

1645
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:32,890
situation honestly the headspace app is

1646
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:36,130
genuinely even the free version will

1647
01:04:40,829 --> 01:04:38,170
sort you out as long as you do it it's a

1648
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:40,839
great it is great yeah so I think that's

1649
01:04:45,059 --> 01:04:42,250
kind of what's going on I think there's

1650
01:04:47,099 --> 01:04:45,069
a sort of macro understanding of there

1651
01:04:49,289 --> 01:04:47,109
is a failure to appreciate the

1652
01:04:51,930 --> 01:04:49,299
dangerousness of thoughts because they

1653
01:04:53,279 --> 01:04:51,940
are real and that's a kind of societal

1654
01:04:54,809 --> 01:04:53,289
failure right because we don't think

1655
01:04:57,569 --> 01:04:54,819
they are we say it's just in your head

1656
01:05:02,579 --> 01:04:57,579
or it's just a dream and so we we don't

1657
01:05:04,829 --> 01:05:02,589
bring the right weariness to going down

1658
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:04,839
those dark roads that maybe we should

1659
01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:07,930
and also because we don't think they're

1660
01:05:11,940 --> 01:05:09,609
real we don't think ok well I need to

1661
01:05:14,519 --> 01:05:11,950
you need to step back from this get some

1662
01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:14,529
forest bathing on look at the Sun not

1663
01:05:19,980 --> 01:05:16,569
like in a Trump Eclipse way but like up

1664
01:05:22,259 --> 01:05:19,990
in the morning I need to kind of get

1665
01:05:23,789 --> 01:05:22,269
back to the analog and the authentic if

1666
01:05:25,049 --> 01:05:23,799
I'm gonna do this again cuz it is like

1667
01:05:27,870 --> 01:05:25,059
that you know this I mean this is your

1668
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:27,880
job as well like it can get intense it

1669
01:05:32,519 --> 01:05:29,170
can get really intense you get you know

1670
01:05:36,660 --> 01:05:32,529
what I need to do not any more of this

1671
01:05:39,359 --> 01:05:36,670
research for a bit cheers to them and

1672
01:05:41,309 --> 01:05:39,369
dude great answer always great talking

1673
01:05:44,009 --> 01:05:41,319
to you a good medicine all around doc

1674
01:05:46,380 --> 01:05:44,019
your podcasts have been super great

1675
01:05:48,599 --> 01:05:46,390
lately you have two new courses since we

1676
01:05:50,190 --> 01:05:48,609
last talked one on the role of Saints in

1677
01:05:52,170 --> 01:05:50,200
the European magical tradition and

1678
01:05:55,109 --> 01:05:52,180
another on the Greek magical papyri

1679
01:05:57,599 --> 01:05:55,119
these are the things that any THC fan

1680
01:06:00,180 --> 01:05:57,609
should consider it's weird but it's also

1681
01:06:01,799 --> 01:06:00,190
high-level and very educational rune

1682
01:06:03,059 --> 01:06:01,809
soup calm is the portal is there

1683
01:06:05,789 --> 01:06:03,069
anything else to tell the people about

1684
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:05,799
your ongoing projects or impressive

1685
01:06:10,499 --> 01:06:08,410
workload no I mean it's all there it's

1686
01:06:12,509 --> 01:06:10,509
all there a Troodon soup you can find

1687
01:06:14,460 --> 01:06:12,519
the books if you're interested in the

1688
01:06:18,059 --> 01:06:14,470
membership if you are as well this

1689
01:06:20,609 --> 01:06:18,069
quarters course is on magical geography

1690
01:06:23,039 --> 01:06:20,619
and spirits of place and funnily enough

1691
01:06:24,599 --> 01:06:23,049
there'll be some first bathing data in

1692
01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:24,609
it so if you guys are kind of looking

1693
01:06:29,910 --> 01:06:27,609
for a an updated way of thinking with

1694
01:06:31,410 --> 01:06:29,920
your local environment from a physical

1695
01:06:32,030 --> 01:06:31,420
and spiritual perspective that may be

1696
01:06:33,020 --> 01:06:32,040
your jam

1697
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:33,030
and maybe I should have mentioned that

1698
01:06:39,470 --> 01:06:36,810
there you go q3 course nice well again

1699
01:06:41,510 --> 01:06:39,480
always much appreciated I know you're a

1700
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:41,520
lot busier than you once were coming

1701
01:06:44,990 --> 01:06:43,440
back here for a ninth time probably

1702
01:06:47,060 --> 01:06:45,000
isn't the first thing you want to do in

1703
01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:47,070
the morning but I appreciate it all man

1704
01:06:51,410 --> 01:06:49,440
I hope the people do too best of luck on

1705
01:06:52,940 --> 01:06:51,420
the farm and take care I wouldn't be

1706
01:06:55,270 --> 01:06:52,950
anywhere else Greg so thank you very

1707
01:06:59,120 --> 01:06:55,280
much and happy birthday again

1708
01:07:02,300 --> 01:06:59,130
BAM people Gordon white number nine look

1709
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:02,310
at that I feel a bit better and

1710
01:07:08,030 --> 01:07:05,250
thoroughly refreshed I hope it was clear

1711
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:08,040
why we sectioned a big part of this talk

1712
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:10,650
around the state of conspiracy culture

1713
01:07:15,530 --> 01:07:13,170
because we both enjoy it and we both

1714
01:07:17,420 --> 01:07:15,540
appreciate it I think it generally

1715
01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:17,430
offers a more accurate world view than

1716
01:07:22,670 --> 01:07:19,920
the bulk of the adopted perspectives out

1717
01:07:24,500 --> 01:07:22,680
there but I also think it has gotten a

1718
01:07:27,050 --> 01:07:24,510
little off track from things that are

1719
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:27,060
useful and that's understandable because

1720
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:30,000
so many things have changed so people

1721
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:32,490
are kind of erratic and trying to latch

1722
01:07:37,550 --> 01:07:35,490
on to some new idea and I mentioned my

1723
01:07:40,550 --> 01:07:37,560
list of things that are hot topics that

1724
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:40,560
I don't find very useful flat earth q

1725
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:42,330
and on dinosaur hoaxes

1726
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:44,730
Australia isn't real these sorts of

1727
01:07:50,030 --> 01:07:47,370
things and on one hand who cares about

1728
01:07:52,490 --> 01:07:50,040
definitions and labels for a show like

1729
01:07:54,740 --> 01:07:52,500
this but on the other hand if these are

1730
01:07:57,560 --> 01:07:54,750
the biggest themes today in conspiracy

1731
01:08:00,470 --> 01:07:57,570
culture by the numbers then I sort of

1732
01:08:02,990 --> 01:08:00,480
have to wonder why after many years I'm

1733
01:08:04,970 --> 01:08:03,000
so out of alignment with these themes I

1734
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:04,980
think some of them might have a little

1735
01:08:09,530 --> 01:08:07,530
merit but most of them are silly and

1736
01:08:12,140 --> 01:08:09,540
they don't do anything to help us

1737
01:08:14,180 --> 01:08:12,150
progress it's like we're in the midst of

1738
01:08:15,830 --> 01:08:14,190
this battle but acting like the

1739
01:08:18,170 --> 01:08:15,840
disinterested kid on the soccer field

1740
01:08:20,059 --> 01:08:18,180
kicking around dirt and yelling hey do

1741
01:08:22,370 --> 01:08:20,069
you guys know these white lines are made

1742
01:08:24,349 --> 01:08:22,380
out of chalk when we should really be

1743
01:08:27,860 --> 01:08:24,359
focused on our opponents barreling down

1744
01:08:30,349 --> 01:08:27,870
a field towards us and it also really

1745
01:08:32,510 --> 01:08:30,359
gets under my skin when the advocates of

1746
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:32,520
these positions just dismiss any

1747
01:08:36,710 --> 01:08:34,650
naysayer is oh well they're just not

1748
01:08:39,289 --> 01:08:36,720
woke or they're just not open to this no

1749
01:08:41,269 --> 01:08:39,299
I'm open to it I just don't know that a

1750
01:08:43,519 --> 01:08:41,279
lot of these things matter that much and

1751
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:43,529
I know we've covered a lot of these

1752
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:45,210
things and I'm sure they will come up

1753
01:08:48,770 --> 01:08:45,930
again it's

1754
01:08:51,500 --> 01:08:48,780
like these are banned topics but of what

1755
01:08:53,870 --> 01:08:51,510
real value are they and where on the

1756
01:08:56,210 --> 01:08:53,880
totem pole of ideas should they really

1757
01:08:58,820 --> 01:08:56,220
be placed I would say they're a little

1758
01:09:00,380 --> 01:08:58,830
too high right now and I said when I

1759
01:09:03,020 --> 01:09:00,390
started this show that I wanted to

1760
01:09:05,930 --> 01:09:03,030
elevate conspiracy culture and that's

1761
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:05,940
true I try to get real career

1762
01:09:10,190 --> 01:09:07,650
professionals to talk about something

1763
01:09:12,500 --> 01:09:10,200
like MKULTRA as opposed to some

1764
01:09:14,150 --> 01:09:12,510
neckbeard in the basement because if

1765
01:09:15,530 --> 01:09:14,160
these things are true as we think they

1766
01:09:17,900 --> 01:09:15,540
are we don't need to shy away from

1767
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:17,910
details and facts let's get in there and

1768
01:09:23,210 --> 01:09:19,890
when I started this show there were

1769
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:23,220
fewer options I didn't think that we

1770
01:09:27,410 --> 01:09:25,770
needed the overly Christian lens of

1771
01:09:29,480 --> 01:09:27,420
coast to coast or the screaming

1772
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:29,490
pulsating vein in the neck aggression of

1773
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:32,250
Alex Jones I don't find either of those

1774
01:09:37,490 --> 01:09:35,130
things useful they are things at the

1775
01:09:40,310 --> 01:09:37,500
time when those were the only options

1776
01:09:43,550 --> 01:09:40,320
that were things I'd have to overlook to

1777
01:09:46,250 --> 01:09:43,560
focus on the meat which was always so

1778
01:09:47,900 --> 01:09:46,260
how can I get around this rig system how

1779
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:47,910
can I really understand what's going on

1780
01:09:52,820 --> 01:09:50,730
and I still agree that it's good to hold

1781
01:09:55,010 --> 01:09:52,830
everything up to the light and ask the

1782
01:09:57,770 --> 01:09:55,020
unbiased question is this true

1783
01:10:00,500 --> 01:09:57,780
or was I sold a lie here but I'm finding

1784
01:10:04,130 --> 01:10:00,510
a lot more people solely focused on that

1785
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:04,140
process and just throwing everything at

1786
01:10:09,950 --> 01:10:06,480
it and seeing what sticks or seeing what

1787
01:10:11,230 --> 01:10:09,960
generates the most attention and I think

1788
01:10:13,730 --> 01:10:11,240
a lot of these things might be

1789
01:10:16,700 --> 01:10:13,740
distractions from reality rather than

1790
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:16,710
tools for constructing a more useful map

1791
01:10:21,980 --> 01:10:20,130
when we navigate it and I just love the

1792
01:10:24,230 --> 01:10:21,990
two-pronged approach of what's wrong

1793
01:10:26,350 --> 01:10:24,240
with conspiracy and what's the real deal

1794
01:10:29,390 --> 01:10:26,360
with this administration's agenda

1795
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:29,400
gordon's take on the imperial pivot

1796
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:31,650
offers a lot of clarity I would say

1797
01:10:36,650 --> 01:10:34,410
clearly something has changed but maybe

1798
01:10:39,350 --> 01:10:36,660
it's not the god emperor rounding up

1799
01:10:41,780 --> 01:10:39,360
deep state paedophile networks so his

1800
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:41,790
break down from the economic alterations

1801
01:10:48,440 --> 01:10:43,850
to the possible rollout of the big toys

1802
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:48,450
all kind of makes sense to me and then

1803
01:10:52,250 --> 01:10:50,730
we throw Bilbo in because it's fun and

1804
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:52,260
there's also something in there to

1805
01:10:57,290 --> 01:10:55,170
consider as a hopeful template so all

1806
01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:57,300
three aspects I find really fitting

1807
01:11:02,510 --> 01:10:59,280
right now and very appropriate for it

1808
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:02,520
hc' anniversary it got me thinking about

1809
01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:05,010
these concepts all week and I think

1810
01:11:09,910 --> 01:11:07,679
creating the world we want locally is a

1811
01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:09,920
lot more on the table than we realize

1812
01:11:15,260 --> 01:11:12,960
the tools of networking and influencing

1813
01:11:17,089 --> 01:11:15,270
those around us seem sort of base level

1814
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:17,099
and boring but it's how the elite make

1815
01:11:22,490 --> 01:11:19,650
the change they want how about you try

1816
01:11:25,580 --> 01:11:22,500
it around the neighborhood another point

1817
01:11:27,589 --> 01:11:25,590
about the slow drip of disclosure there

1818
01:11:29,419 --> 01:11:27,599
was a story going around on big websites

1819
01:11:32,060 --> 01:11:29,429
that got sent to me a couple dozen times

1820
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:32,070
about the pyramids being used for energy

1821
01:11:36,250 --> 01:11:34,530
generation something we've heard before

1822
01:11:38,899 --> 01:11:36,260
but this was coming out in a mainstream

1823
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:38,909
rollout kind of way almost as if to say

1824
01:11:43,459 --> 01:11:41,250
oh we just figured out the pyramids so

1825
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:43,469
now we can incorporate what we know into

1826
01:11:47,540 --> 01:11:45,210
the changes in how we produce your

1827
01:11:49,939 --> 01:11:47,550
energy you know because they got a frame

1828
01:11:52,399 --> 01:11:49,949
all this as new discoveries so I thought

1829
01:11:54,649 --> 01:11:52,409
that was pretty interesting and in terms

1830
01:11:57,290 --> 01:11:54,659
of our little recalibration of

1831
01:11:58,819 --> 01:11:57,300
conspiracy Chris Noel's must also be

1832
01:12:01,310 --> 01:11:58,829
thinking about this stuff lately because

1833
01:12:03,290 --> 01:12:01,320
on the day we recorded this show he

1834
01:12:05,870 --> 01:12:03,300
released a blog post at the secret sun

1835
01:12:09,140 --> 01:12:05,880
titled the x-files exit and the death of

1836
01:12:10,910 --> 01:12:09,150
conspiracy culture part one and it's

1837
01:12:13,010 --> 01:12:10,920
about a lot more than just what we

1838
01:12:15,109 --> 01:12:13,020
talked about today but clearly he's seen

1839
01:12:18,049 --> 01:12:15,119
conspiracy culture going off the rails

1840
01:12:21,140 --> 01:12:18,059
too and how convenient for the Empire

1841
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:21,150
right it's almost as if they want us

1842
01:12:26,270 --> 01:12:23,130
looking into certain rabbit holes and

1843
01:12:28,370 --> 01:12:26,280
not others maybe it's just growing pains

1844
01:12:30,919 --> 01:12:28,380
I like to think that the internet you

1845
01:12:33,310 --> 01:12:30,929
know still fairly new and people's

1846
01:12:35,529 --> 01:12:33,320
ability to do all these further out

1847
01:12:38,959 --> 01:12:35,539
questionings it's just a form of

1848
01:12:40,609 --> 01:12:38,969
exercising that new ability and it's all

1849
01:12:43,069 --> 01:12:40,619
going to snap back to the important

1850
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:43,079
stuff eventually but I think we all

1851
01:12:48,020 --> 01:12:45,449
appreciate the shows that are personally

1852
01:12:51,049 --> 01:12:48,030
useful and today we return to that in a

1853
01:12:53,299 --> 01:12:51,059
big way use your inner Jack Sparrow for

1854
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:53,309
those smooth fluid movements towards

1855
01:12:57,770 --> 01:12:55,050
your goals on a chaotic and choppy

1856
01:12:59,330 --> 01:12:57,780
conspiracy and then how do we move

1857
01:13:02,029 --> 01:12:59,340
towards fixing the world when we don't

1858
01:13:04,430 --> 01:13:02,039
really get to fights or on the bilbo

1859
01:13:06,290 --> 01:13:04,440
model and if you only heard the first

1860
01:13:08,390 --> 01:13:06,300
hour I think there is a lot of useful

1861
01:13:10,939 --> 01:13:08,400
advice to save your life in the second

1862
01:13:12,620 --> 01:13:10,949
well worth $8 because we told you how to

1863
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:12,630
avoid cancer at Noah

1864
01:13:20,149 --> 01:13:16,770
additional cost but really the topics

1865
01:13:22,250 --> 01:13:20,159
included retro suburban solutions how to

1866
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:22,260
influence your neighbors and jailbreak

1867
01:13:27,050 --> 01:13:24,090
your neighborhood into moving towards

1868
01:13:29,660 --> 01:13:27,060
Gordon's utopia pivoting towards the

1869
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:29,670
analog by using the digital eating your

1870
01:13:34,820 --> 01:13:32,400
enemy tricks for introducing yourself as

1871
01:13:37,100 --> 01:13:34,830
professional fringe peddler forest

1872
01:13:40,010 --> 01:13:37,110
bathing Sun gazing and other beautiful

1873
01:13:41,899 --> 01:13:40,020
things so sign up for the higher side

1874
01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:41,909
chats plus if you haven't already you've

1875
01:13:47,450 --> 01:13:45,120
come this far and big thanks for all the

1876
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:47,460
plus members being cool and patient and

1877
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:49,290
supportive during the price change I

1878
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:50,489
know I've talked to a lot of you

1879
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:52,560
individually we had a couple small

1880
01:13:56,300 --> 01:13:54,719
hiccups but I'd say it was a B+

1881
01:13:58,939 --> 01:13:56,310
transition and now we're on the other

1882
01:14:02,240 --> 01:13:58,949
side of it and it's all good as for the

1883
01:14:04,399 --> 01:14:02,250
first edition of the joint sessions I'm

1884
01:14:07,459 --> 01:14:04,409
still working out exactly which program

1885
01:14:08,990 --> 01:14:07,469
to use I'm thinking zoom but I also have

1886
01:14:11,660 --> 01:14:09,000
to figure out exactly how to structure

1887
01:14:13,189 --> 01:14:11,670
it I'm not used to doing video but I

1888
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:13,199
think that's what the people want and

1889
01:14:18,860 --> 01:14:15,449
the more I think about it the more I

1890
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:18,870
think what we also want is for the open

1891
01:14:23,990 --> 01:14:21,330
lines to be available to everyone not

1892
01:14:26,209 --> 01:14:24,000
just plus members but then we just

1893
01:14:28,580 --> 01:14:26,219
archive the sessions for on-demand

1894
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:28,590
viewing for the plus members because I

1895
01:14:34,910 --> 01:14:31,530
don't want to have to cut off a caller

1896
01:14:36,939 --> 01:14:34,920
or roll my eyes at something knowing

1897
01:14:39,470 --> 01:14:36,949
that every caller is a paying customer

1898
01:14:43,610 --> 01:14:39,480
I'd be forced to be on my best behavior

1899
01:14:47,870 --> 01:14:43,620
I think we would do better and have more

1900
01:14:50,270 --> 01:14:47,880
fun if we let in the crazies and all

1901
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:50,280
that's gonna happen soon I'll probably

1902
01:14:55,820 --> 01:14:53,010
have a date and time announcement in the

1903
01:14:59,240 --> 01:14:55,830
next show I'm thinking sometime between

1904
01:15:01,850 --> 01:14:59,250
the 20th and the 30th but as for today

1905
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:01,860
that pretty much does it I was also

1906
01:15:06,260 --> 01:15:03,050
thinking about the power of

1907
01:15:08,990 --> 01:15:06,270
manifestation and ideas and the

1908
01:15:10,970 --> 01:15:09,000
imagination realm and of course it's

1909
01:15:13,310 --> 01:15:10,980
Gordon's utopian vision that we talked

1910
01:15:16,430 --> 01:15:13,320
about today and I think the visual is

1911
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:16,440
quite potent and we just broadcasted it

1912
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:19,170
to a lot of people now tens of thousands

1913
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:23,130
of people also have that vision and if

1914
01:15:26,300 --> 01:15:25,290
ideas we hold in our head can manifest

1915
01:15:28,550 --> 01:15:26,310
and our

1916
01:15:30,290 --> 01:15:28,560
ashlee real then let's water that little

1917
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:30,300
[\h__\h] and see if we can't get it

1918
01:15:34,190 --> 01:15:31,890
to sprout somewhere in the world and

1919
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:34,200
then we can nurture it and model it out

1920
01:15:39,770 --> 01:15:36,770
and maybe I'm just on a good high and

1921
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:39,780
inscrutably optimistic but if you can't

1922
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:40,890
think of anything to meditate on

1923
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:44,250
meditate on that and I'll see you next

1924
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:46,770
time your move Jack Sparrow's Bilbo

1925
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:49,050
Baggins --is and fellow carriers of the

1926
01:16:01,000 --> 01:15:58,690
happy holidays and Merry Christmas we're

1927
01:16:03,570 --> 01:16:01,010
going to talk about angels and miracles

1928
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:03,580
with Rosemarie for a few hours tonight

1929
01:16:19,510 --> 01:16:13,020
[Music]

1930
01:16:21,380 --> 01:16:19,520
it's getting oh it isn't pleasing I turn

1931
01:16:33,900 --> 01:16:21,390
the station

1932
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:33,910
[Music]

1933
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:39,010
maybe it's not my department

1934
01:16:44,339 --> 01:16:42,610
maybe I should shut

1935
01:16:50,140 --> 01:16:44,349
[Music]

1936
01:17:08,219 --> 01:16:50,150
mr. Jones is quite the harlot it's all

1937
01:17:16,449 --> 01:17:08,229
the aunty HD I'm feeling more at home

1938
01:17:21,429 --> 01:17:16,459
then I haven't had before in the wards

1939
01:17:24,250 --> 01:17:21,439
are just drowning slowly coast to coast

1940
01:17:34,750 --> 01:17:24,260
isn't growing

1941
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:40,540
I'm sure you must feel kind of dirty

1942
01:18:04,830 --> 01:17:52,560
tuning in at certain our banda man is

1943
01:18:09,590 --> 01:18:04,840
what I want it's not shown and I end up

1944
01:18:17,730 --> 01:18:09,600
now I'm feeling more at home

1945
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:17,740
then I ever have be through in towards

1946
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:23,890
our chest drowning slowly cosec amazing

1947
01:18:31,580 --> 01:18:28,170
we know where Oh these shows are just

1948
01:18:37,060 --> 01:18:31,590
drowning slowly

1949
01:18:47,830 --> 01:18:42,340
slowly coats and coats isn't growing

1950
01:18:49,450 --> 01:18:47,840
nowhere oh these shows are just drowning